I definitely think he plays faster than Bowe, and just has more big play ability in general.

A.J. Brown is the better comparison IMO.

Agreed. Just no ****ing Watson in the first I will be pissed if that happens.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Skyy Moore is going to be a very solid receiver in the NFL. I don&#39;t think the 4.41 speed 100% shows up on tape, but that&#39;s not a problem, because his best work happens at the line.<br><br>He&#39;s the closest thing to a violent route runner there is. Surgical releases, competitive edge. <a href="https://t.co/C6NOFzCtdN">pic.twitter.com/C6NOFzCtdN</a></p>&mdash; Ian Cummings (@ian_cummings_9) <a href="https://twitter.com/ian_cummings_9/status/1507840315226533889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Moore also had 26 broken tackles last year. He’s elusive in his route running AND after the catch.

He’s also a little bigger than a guy like Calvin Austin, which is one reason why I have him higher.

Wonder if you could get him at 50.

Yeah and I made a thread with a report the chiefs are interested you bundle of stickss ignored it

Burks must be slow of the start? His top speed is there. Another question I have about him is if he can pick up the playbook. Arkansas’s offense wasn’t as precise as what we run and a lot of his yards were on gadget plays or scramble drills. I like bama’s preparation of wrs. Waddle and Devonta smith have both done well and others. I like jameson more than burks but burks size & top speed is intriguing.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFB?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CFB</a>&#39;s Top 5 Max Speeds from Ball Carriers: Week 3<br><br>1️⃣ ARK WR <a href="https://twitter.com/TreylonBurks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TreylonBurks</a>, 22.6 MPH<br>2️⃣ UM WR <a href="https://twitter.com/CorneliusNation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CorneliusNation</a>, 22.4 MPH<br>3️⃣ ECU RB <a href="https://twitter.com/_KeatonMitchell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@_KeatonMitchell</a>, 22.2 MPH<br>4️⃣ MIZZOU WR <a href="https://twitter.com/JJHester_8?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JJHester_8</a>, 22.1 MPH<br>5️⃣ OKState RB <a href="https://twitter.com/Nunless2?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Nunless2</a>, 22.1 MPH<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/myRAmaxspeed?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#myRAmaxspeed</a> <a href="https://t.co/z8X4aEyyw5">pic.twitter.com/z8X4aEyyw5</a></p>&mdash; Recruiting Analytics (@RAanalytics) <a href="https://twitter.com/RAanalytics/status/1440329977916899343?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Who all is a lock for the first round?

Aidan Hutchinson, DE
Kayvon Thibodeaux, DE
George Karlaftis, DE
Travon Walker, DE
Jermaine Johnson, DE
Kyle Hamilton, S
Derek Stingley Jr., CB
Ahmad Gardner, CB
Charles Cross, OT
Ikem Ekwonu, OT
Evan Neal, OT
Drake London, WR
Garrett Wilson, WR
Jameson Williams, WR
Chris Olave, WR
Treylon Burks, WR
Devin Lloyd, LB
Devonte Wyatt, DT
Jordan Davis, DT
Tyler Linderbaum, OC

That's 20 players that are legit LOCKS. Now factor in other guys who COULD go in the first round.

Trent McDuffie, CB
Nakobe Dean, LB
Trevor Penning, OT
Bernhard Raimann, OT
David Ojabo, DE
Andrew Booth Jr, CB
Kaiir Elam, CB
Lewis Cine, S
Daxton Hill, S
Jaquan Brisker, S
Boye Mafe, DE
Travis Jones, DT
Kenyon Green, OG
Zion Johnson, OG

That's 14 players that have gotten 1st round buzz and wouldn't be surprising to see them go in the 1st round. And that's not including ANY QBs.

Malik Willis, QB
Kenny Pickett, QB
Sam Howell, QB
Desmond Ridder, QB
Matt Corral, QB

Two to three of those guys are going in the 1st round.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Purdue’s pass rusher George Karlaftis, projected to be a top pick next month, ran as low as a 4.71 in the 40-yard dash in sub freezing temperatures at Purdue’s Pro Day today, per a scout in attendance.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1508830809544876038?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I've been watching Travis Jones highlights.

If the plan is to move on from Chris Jones next year.....well yeah. Take that guy.

He's going to tumble like A.J. Epenesa, I think. Similar (good) players.

Nah.

Epenesa ran a 5.04 for comparison.

Karlaftis is a MUCH better athlete. He might fall to the end of the 1st or early 2nd, but that’s it.

Honestly, he’s the perfect player to pair with Ojabo if they want to just double dip at DE in the 1st. You get your day 1 starter at SDE, and your future starter at WDE.

I'd be thrilled.

Then I'd take two WR's in the second and JIMP.

Every mock I see has Karlaftis going in the teens. He isn’t gonna be available.

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But Sam Williams will be

B1G and Iowa fan here.

AJ Epinesa <<< George Karlaftis.

Saw him being compared to Jared Allen on a draft site.

Not sure how accurate that is, but it got me excited about him lol

I don't think he's bad... just a guy who ends up lower than initial draft projections. I'm thinking more into the 20s (when he started the draft process at the top 5-8 level).

I'll think he'll be a good NFL player and better than Epenesa.

I'm out on Karlaftis. Saw someone say he reminded them of Breeland Speaks.

I'm not into that.

That’s just ****ing dumb.

And you being out on him because somebody said that is even worse.

:thumb:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cameron Thomas had 77 pressures in 2021...<br><br>Most by a Mountain West Edge Rusher since 2014 ��<br><br>�� via <a href="https://twitter.com/CameronThomas44?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CameronThomas44</a> <a href="https://t.co/pMxQ1CZ79o">pic.twitter.com/pMxQ1CZ79o</a></p>&mdash; PFF Draft (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1508277701810933760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Thomas or Williams just feel like perfect picks at 50.

Good.

I think quite a few people here have never seen Karlaftis play...

How would people feel if we drafted a CB like Kaiir Elam or Roger Mcreary in the 1st round?

Elam is one of my favorites at 29/30.

I really like McCreary, but I don’t think he fits what they’re looking for with his short arms. If they draft him, it’s likely to play NB, and I don’t see them using a 1st on a guy like that unless it’s Dax Hill who has the versatility to play inside, outside, and deep.

I prefer Booth of the potentially available 1st round CBs.

And would be okay with it. I'd prefer go DL/DL with those 2 picks but it may just not work out for us.

If we go DL/CB that's fine. Though again, I really do not like the way the rest o the draft lays out if you go with S in the first. It even tangles things a bit if you use a 2nd (without a trade-back that picks up another day 2 pick).

Booth and Elam are definitely my guys at CB in the 1st, and I agree that DB in general is not ideal in the 1st.

But if either of those 2 are available, it’s likely that they’re one of two BPA for 29 and 30.

The only S I could see in the 1st is Hill and that's because he projects as both a CB and a S...

I keep watching and reading about Dax Hill and man that guy is gonna be special. He’s got pretty much everything you could want. He’s so versatile too. Like a bigger version of a younger Matheiu.

I really want that guy on our team

I could see them take Hill in the first, trade out of the 1st round and then double dip on DE with two of their three picks.

Also fully on board with Trey McBride. I’d say **** it and get this guy to pair with Kelce, Gray, Fortson and our 2 bigger WR’s MVS and Juju.

Let teams play that cover 2 while we bully them underneath with our giant ****ing monsters.

You can absolutely get a Calvin Austin or Tyquan Thornton in rd 3 if you want a speed receiver added.

I like McBride a lot. Wouldn't upset me at all if they took him.

I'm down for taking a TE but I'm in the Jelani Woods/Lucas Krull camp myself. Both of these guys are 6'6"-6'7" 250-260lbs with 4.5-4.6 speed and tested off the charts. They're like a hybrid of Fortson and Kelce in terms of height/weight/athleticism combo. Redzone demons for sure.

I just don't see how they can't go DE/DL early and often.

You have absolutely nothing there currently.

One in the first and one in the 2nd.

I think you get diminishing returns out of his athleticism from TE.

I think Dulcich does all the 'necessary' things just as well or better than McBride while McBride just throws some sizzle in there athletically that simply doesn't typically amount to much.

How many of these hyper-athletic TEs have actually amounted to shit?

Dulcich will almost certainly be there with the late 2nd and very possibly in the back of the 3rd. I'd take him a round later over McBride with a 1st 100 times out of 100.

If the Chiefs go TE on day 2, I hope it's Cade Otton. He's the best router runner to me and he's a solid blocker. Definitely will be pissed if they take one day 1, that's for sure.

Alot, and we've seen them in AFCW for about 25-26 years

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">San Diego State D-lineman Cam Thomas held his Pro Day today after dealing with a hamstring since the Senior Bowl. While still managing the ailment, 22 teams watched the 265-pounder do a 33.5 inch vertical &amp; 6.87 3-cone drill. Thomas is a Friday pick who could sneak into Thursday.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1511109520268869638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nice. I’ve been waiting on this.

That’s my TE1!

Only 6 DEs ran the 3 cone at the combine. This would have put him #2 behind Hutchinson and before Walker.

His vertical was 15th for DEs between Tyreke Smith and Myjai Sanders.

I’m assuming he didn’t run the 40.

No clue. I can't find official shit anywhere.

My god that 3 cone is amazing for a guy his size

But it’s also a Pro Day time which makes it a little difficult to assume as fact.

I watched him play at UW, he drops balls at the exact time you don't need him to.

Tentative, for now, give me George Karlaftis or Arnold Ebiketie then either Andrew Booth Jr or Kaiir Elam. At 29 and 30. This of course could change but is my current wish list. DO NOT move up IMHO.

That's a man baby!

I don't see a 40 anywhere but here's the official from Brugler.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SanDiegoState?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SanDiegoState</a> DL Cameron Thomas has been sidelined for most of the draft process (hamstring), but he was able to work out for scouts this week.<br><br>6-4 1/2&quot; 265 lbs<br>Vertical: 33 1/2<br>Broad J: 9&#39;2&quot;<br>3-cone: 6.91<br>Shuttle: 4.25</p>&mdash; Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/1511710475666472960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I keep asking this but not getting ansers.

Where does a 6'2'', 250 lb DE fit in Spags system?

It doesn't.

The only time he's drafted a DE that small....he drafted Danna.

That's a remarkably similar profile as George Karlaftis.

Yep.

Which is what I was waiting to see.

Karlaftis talent but with quality of competition concerns that push him down a bit.

Where the quality of competition makes me nervous isn’t the upside, it’s the learning curve. He’s been able to succeed by bullying lesser players rather than emphasizing technique and consistency. That’ll take time to coach out and it’s just one more variable that can go sideways on you.

So it’s definitely something I always consider. It won’t take guys off my board, but it will push them down it.

I hate this stupid shit. It's a garbage rumor that spins everyone up to talking about it.

Updated the OP.

I’m fairly confident that the Chiefs end up with 2 of these guys if they stay put.

Obviously, a trade up and/or down could change everything.

So dumb.

We're not trading MORE than we traded for Mahomes to get a WR.

Interesting but I wouldnt trade that much to get Calvin Johnson!

These guys are making shit up! No ****ing way Veach gives up those picks for ONE WR.

I agree but also think you should add the two guys you left off. You never know.

I have seen Mocks with both of them there, late round one.

WR Treylon Burks hunts wild boar, with only a knife.

Apparently he had a meeting with the NYG and they couldn't stop asking him about it lol


https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/s...round-prospect

ROFL

I LOVE this guy even more! Thats the attitude we need on Offense!

I'd be happy with Burks at 29 or 30.

What two guys?

I know some guys that hunt pigs with spears. They're actually kind of scary. ROFL

"Note: there are guys like Burks and Ojabo that I left off because I don’t think they have a shot to make it to our range."


These two guys.

I forgot to take out that part. That was from my original post.

They are on the list.

LOL, my bad. After reading the list, I read that and thought wait?

I love both of those guys!

After JW, Burks is my favorite WR.

Yeah, I'd be fine with it.

I've warmed to him. I'm not sure how long it would take for him to learn to be a 'real' WR with a full route tree, but man, the speed on the field is evident. At a point you just have to ignore his track time because when he's out there against SEC competition he just looks faster than those guys.

He's football fast. And for as rarely as I believe that's an actual thing, it sure seems to be in Burks case.

So he's kind of like Nick Bolton in that regard. I had never thought about that until reading this post.

The thing about it is….if he had ran anywhere close to a 4.3-4.4…..he’s not anywhere near our pick. And hell….I’m not sure the Packers don’t take him at 28 if they haven’t taken a WR at 22.

I just think the idea of 'football speed' is kinda silly.

Really? 20 ounce worth of football pads are going to slow down guys who can squat 300+ lbs? These guys are freak athletes, they aren't effected by the weight. And most of them don't wear the thigh/hip pads anyway so it's not like they're encumbered.

Most of the time a guy running on a track IS running about as fast as he can possibly run on a football field. But when you see Burks hit 22 mph on the field...well clearly that's faster than he ran on the track.

So I guess I just say he had an off day at the combine? Because if you're a 4.6 guy there's no amount of 'he's faster in pads' that will ever convince me. Even with Bolton it didn't/doesn't. He isn't any faster on the field than he times - he's just REALLY decisive so he appears to be faster than he is.

But Burks actually RAN 22 mph. He's just freakin' fast. So you ignore the combine and look at the tape at that point.

Trey Burks. True man. Manly man. Badass

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Treylon Burks WR1. Treylon Burks OVR1. Treylon Burks generational prospect.<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexS_ESPN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AlexS_ESPN</a>&#39;s lovely piece) <a href="https://t.co/VSSnBFDBTR">https://t.co/VSSnBFDBTR</a> <a href="https://t.co/86Nn1fiAhk">pic.twitter.com/86Nn1fiAhk</a></p>&mdash; Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1511790418639339528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Less athletic version of Chris Conley? Nah I’m good dawg. Not in the first rd

They've talked all about the DL, I think we end up going that direction adn the WR talk is all smokey screen.

Who are you talking about?

When you have 3 picks in the top 50, it’s not an either/or situation.