That was amazing. Thank you

in related news, this is wild

https://i.imgur.com/vGTntj4.png

I guess this might be a stupid question but here it goes.
I was under the impression from A New Hope that Leia didn't really know Obi-Wan other then through name. How are they going to fix this? Or am I erroneous?

And to build on that if Obi-Wan is going to put himself in grave danger rescuing Leia not once, but twice, isn't that going to send off signals to Darth Vader the importance of Leia?
Fill me in folks.

I am enjoying this show. Episode 4 having Obi-Wan rediscover some of his Jedi skills was cool.

If I'm 10 years old and 20 odd years later after not having spoken w/ a person who helped me so many years ago, I may have foggy enough memories of the whole thing to begin that conversation more formally before getting a little less informal as it progressed.

I mean yeah, at first blush I would say she sounds like someone in her message that never met Obi Wan. But that doesn't HAVE to be the only reading of it either.

if you ask me the way Carrie said "Ben KENOBI!?" in ANH definitely reads as having met him 10 years earlier

a mystical hero who once saved you and then vanished into thin air

Inclined to agree with you.

And she did say 'reaching out on behalf of my father' or what not in her holograph to Ben - it may just be the case where she's maintaining a sort of diplomatic formality given that she's technically speaking as nobility and on behalf of the Senate (I think that's right - again, not good with the Canon here).

Vague enough to not be a big deal either way.

That reads as a very personal connection.

But again - it definitely doesn't start that way. The rest of that message is very stiff. Why read the guy his own CV to start things off if you have some warm history together?

Ok, I can buy into some of this.
What about my second question?

And to build on that if Obi-Wan is going to put himself in grave danger rescuing Leia not once, but twice, isn't that going to send off signals to Darth Vader the importance of Leia?

Why not? It was a distress call and she didn't have a lot of time to be emotional.

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They were being boarded by a pissed-off Vader after a heated battle.

She has ice water running through her veins.

I don't have a problem with the Reva character (the actress) because the acting in this show is kind of shitty overall and she doesn't stand out as especially bad to me. Ewan McGregor is really good at pretending to be Alec Guinness. Indira Varma (Tala Dunth) is good. Joel Edgerton (Owan Lars) did a good job. Everybody else is just stumbling through poorly written dialogue or hamming it up. Still annoyed by lollipop headed baby Leia running around like she's wearing a diaper though. The girl doesn't act well, her dialogue is crap, and she was badly miscast.

Wow. Interesting how people can disagree.

I think she's an absolutely perfect lil Leia. Puts every other child actor in the series to shame.

Yeah, don't get the hate. Those scenes where she was getting chased were ****ing awful, but that's on the director, not the actor.

I take it Vader knows from the third sister that it was Organa’s daughter that was kidnapped. One would expect a continued effort to rescue a senator’s daughter. And Vader also knows how the Jedi can’t seem to help themselves in matters such as these and will keep going until the mission is complete.

Finally watched episode 4. Young Leia has grown on me a bit, but still can’t stand Reva’s character.

That “interrogation” was cringe.

Obi-Wan was great this episode.

Vader stole the show in the last min or so per usual.

She'd be great playing a 5 or 6 year old Leia.

The only thing I fault her for is not being a very good actress. Everything else is on the people who created this show.

I'm surprised Young Vader is giving this much slack with the inquisitors, and not get Tarkin on the phone and lay waste and interrogate more Rebels.

Yahoo has disabled comments on all content tied to Obi-Wan.

This show is taking some heat.

That episode sucked. Seemed like half the episode was that awful interrogation in which we had to sit through the two worst characters on the show.

I can't tell if preteen Leia is a bad actor or if the writers just hung her out to dry...or both. I try not to be hard on child actors but, i feel the bar has been raised over the last decade.

And i can't buy into Reva, the actress or the character. Those scenes between the two of them were bad.

Can we get to some space ships and explosions and shit please? I'm here for pod chases, monster creature things, kick ass robots and explosions.

Yeah - the only thing that might salvage that exchange is if, on re-watch at the conclusion of the series, it turns out that Reva is the Jedi double-agent being floated around.

I mean it would still be a little cringy, but i guess if you look at it through 'an actor playing someone who's trying to act' you can maybe give it a little more latitude.

Though, I mean, it would clearly be contrived. I have a hard time believing the actress is playing the part as someone who's actually a bad actor when in fact the ACTRESS is really a good actor.

Indira Varma is KILLING the 'double agent' sort of role in that she's balancing all that indecision fairly well and playing both sides in a believable manner. Then again, she's just a good actress (GOT fans probably recognized her almost immediately - man that's just a classically beautiful woman).

I can't believe anyone else thinks otherwise at this point. She's providing subtle facial expressions and body language that give it away, big time. Look at what she does when she finds the Jedi symbol, or when the T-47 escapes.

She's an excellent actor. Can't believe people are shitting on her.

This is a franchise that employed Jake Lloyd, so it's a huge stretch to shit on lil Leia. She's great! Exactly how I'd picture a young Leia.

LMAO

Clay would defend the terrible Reva character. Makes me feel all the more confident that I'm on the right side of the argument.

What makes her terrible?

If she's playing a ex-Padawan who's using the Inquisitorius as part of a long con to find Obi-Wan/Other Jedi and defeat Vader, she's nailing that character.

I think it's very obvious what she is. She isn't supposed to be playing a pure evil character, and that performance very obviously explains her motivations for killing the Grand Inquisitor and going it alone trying to get to him first. There was no way she was handing Obi-Wan over to that dude.

Hell, the line "we're on the same side" was very clearly double entendre.

You guys hate her because you see her as a very milquetoast, bad excuse for a villain. If that's what she's playing, you're right.

But she's very clearly not playing that character. At all.

If the leaks/rumors are to be true then,

That almost completely contradicts what I've read.

I hope so. We'll see. If you google what i wrote though, there seems to be considerable smoke.

Here's the problem with all of that.

Think of the number of dei ex machina that have been required for Obi Wan to survive to this point. She has no way to know that Tala turned back or where Obi Wan was going in that showdown with Vadar. Tala doesn't turn back, Obi Wan becomes jedi charcoal.

Virtually every episode there has been some moment or another where Kenobi survives through blind dumb luck or assistance from some character that seemingly has no idea she's involved in this. The shootout on the platform - if she wants Kenobi to escape she just says nothing. Afterall, she's already planted the tracker, no? Instead she shouts for him. Without those cargo pilots coming to save him, they're all toast.

I don't ultimately doubt that they're going to do what you're suggesting - but if that's the case, they oversold her. They made her TOO effective because her actions at a half-dozen different moments throughout this series should've gotten him captured or killed.

Both of those suggestions make far more sense than Clay's because they actually speak to what I was referencing in my previous post.

But I can't see 'double agent' as making sense here. It's just asking too much suspension of disbelief. There's just no way a double agent would've kept the kind of heat on Kenobi that she has. His balls have been too close to the bandsaw and well outside of her ability to direct the outcomes way too many times.

She has to have plausible deniability that she's still on the Imperial side. Occupational hazard.

It's not so much a problem as it is, that's just the way it went. When Obi-Wan was dealing with Vader, she had no choice but to pursue option B, or risk blowing her cover.

Note that she waited until the fifth brother demanded she destroy the other speeder before actually doing it.

I'm absolutely sure she's conning the Imps for her own agenda.

so good

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Havent read or watched any spoilers.

I don't think Reva is on a redemption arc. I think she is who she is always been. A child Jedi pissed off and wants to kill all those who killed her friends and fellow Jedi during order 66. She is destroying them from the inside.

Correct.

Oooooh shit the reveal in Episode 5....

LMAO

Also, this episode sort of debunks the spoilers I read.

That was a good one. They keep crushing the Vader scenes in this series. I also particularly enjoyed the framing device/flashback.

I find it all a bore. My son likes it so I surrender the big screen to him and half-heartedly watch.

More fight scenes!

Vader gonna Vader

LMAO That was the most disrespectful duel in any Star Wars media, ever. Just a complete one sided obliteration. Didn't even dignify using their own lightsaber to fight.

Yeah, all other fights that are that one sided, they've bailed. Reva was blinded by her rage, which isn't a terrible story telling choice.

The flashbacks were done really well. There's always been a bit of a disconnect for me between Anakin and Vader. First time it's really felt like yes, they are one and the same.

Wouldn't be Disney Star Wars without a ridiculous contrivance to move the plot along.

"That's right OBI-WAN KENOBI! I'm heading to TATOOINE! With a T! To check on that VERY SPECIAL BOY! It would really suck if the Empire were to hear this. That me, BAIL ORGANA, senator of ALDERAAN is conspiring with you, OBI-WAN KENOBI!! RENOWNED JEDI MASTER!!! And am now as we speak heading to TATOOINE to check on that VERY SPECIAL BOY who is definitely THE CHOSEN ONE!! BAIL ORGANA, SENATOR OF ALDERAAN, OUT!!!"

Luke's the Chosen Son

My favorite part of the episode. A framing device that fit the structure of the story they were trying to tell in this one. The flashbacks were also tellingly depicted as Vader's memories rather than Obi-Wan's, which is also interesting.

Pretty sure he also mentioned Owen's name as well, as if Organa couldn't make it any easier to figure out where to look if the message fell into the wrong hands LMAO

My guess is now the Third Sister sacrifices herself in some way in the finale to save Luke/Leia, figuring that their continued existence/force potential is the best way to get her final revenge on Vader.

I liked how they had Vader fight in the style of Anakin and not like old man Vader 10 years later.

So apparently Andrew Stanton helped write the final 2 episode. Probably why as a whole this episode was vastly superior to everything that came before it.

Don't know if it was a fivehead play by Disney or they just accidentally stumbled onto flipping the concept of the female lead that gets pretty much everything unearned on its head but holy shit did it work either way. By the end I actually felt a bit bad for Reva because both Vader and Obi Wan used her as a pawn, unbeknownst to her, and she got absolutely wrecked for it. Just complete humiliation and everything she'd been accomplishing? Nope, Vader was pulling the strings all along.

Best episode so far. Sure it had it's silly points, but overall very enjoyable.

A couple of things.

I just saw that as Vader having so little respect for her/her skills and any potential for her to threaten him in the future that he doesn't care if she survives. He's letting her live with the shame of her failure.

Of course, I also expect his hubris in that regard to come back to bite him in E6.

The robot sacrificial sheild got me in the feels. And then the next sacrificial play was done very well.

Unbelievably good episode.

Has anyone noticed how each episode is mirroring an episode of the Skywalker saga?

Episode I: Strangers arrive on Tatooine. Kenobi meets/guards a young, gifted boy who lives his simple life with his family (Anakin/Luke).

Episode II: Kenobi hunts for the bounty hunters who have attacked a princess (Padme/Leia). The hunt leads through an urban cyberpunk planet (Coruscant/Daiyu).

Episode III: Kenobi faces off with Darth Vader. He gets burned in fire just as Vader got burned on Mustafar. Kenobi fails to rescue the child (Anakin/Leia). It's his low point.

Episode IV: Kenobi gets his act together and sets off to a military Imperial base to rescue Princess Leia (Death Star/Fortress Inquisitorius). The Imperials plant a homing beacon.

Episode V:

Episode VI: There is still good in him/Obi-Wan once thought as you do? :hmmm:

One thing I will say, they really need to quit with the shaky cam.

That episode was so good I'm watching it again in 4k today.

just gushing

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Disney consistently drops the ball on this stuff the first time out.

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Can we now agree that Reva is a pretty damn good character?

Her actions and performance now line up completely with her motivations.

oh man

YES

crossing my fingers for a KC showing

https://www.cineplex.com/movie/obiwa...-season-and-qa

I would disagree with this, it was supposed to be a plot twist that she was actually going after Vader, but it was telegraphed from the very beginning. It's honestly probably not the actress's fault, but the entire character was handled poorly IMO.

I used to live right around where they're having that Q&A at that theatre in Toronto. I'm sure it sold out in a minute.

It's already been blown wide open by the Holdo maneuver. At the very least in at least one of those situations Vader let them go with an ulterior motives in mind. If you REALLY need something to explain it away Vader is probably at or near his strongest point in the dark side during that moment due to his hatred of Obi Wan. Got fatigued once and couldn't do it again.

For lack of a better term, his mana was depleted.

Force users aren't at 100% power all day every day.

pretty much LMAO

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Anakin was always a flawed Jedi. The whole time before the turn to the dark side.

I know it’s a 30 year old question…… Did Obi-Wan really fail him? Would the great Yoda have been able to keep him from the dark side? From what we know of who he truly is, reinforced in this series, he was and is who he was always meant to be despite any intervention or training.

I don't know how much more Obi-Wan specifically could have done, but the prequels do a pretty good job of showing that the Jedi were stubborn and blind to what was right in front of them (Anakin's turn included).

Sure, they should have seen it coming but they couldn’t have stopped it. It’s the baby hitler argument. The only way you stop Anakin from becoming Vadar is to kill him before he becomes Vadar.

No in neither case was he letting them go. The only time he let them go was in ANH when they left the death star as a way to find the rebel base. When he was chasing Leia, he continued chasing her & took her ship moments later. On Hoth he was so desperate to catch them he chased them into an asteroid field.

And I would prefer I not have to use a silly justification like "he's only strong enough to do it because of his hatred for Obi Wan" I'd prefer they just quit putting it into plots. It didn't really add anything IMO & quite frankly felt to me like something they felt they had to do in order to establish that Rey wasn't more powerful than Vader.

That was my thought as well.

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Yikes.

This episode was bad. And the clearest demonstration yet of how much better the production values have been for The Mandalorian.

The graphics looked like bad SciFi Channel stuff, Christiansen looked 15 years older than he did last time we saw him. 3rd sisters ‘dramatic moment’…cringe. And folks - that’s a bad actress. Sorry Disney. I know it chaps your ass but she’s awful.

That was just real real bad.

“THEY CAN HOLE UP THERE FOR WEEKS!!!”

— defenses destroyed in 3 minutes.

LMAO

There are times when opinions can be both true and false.

THIS ONE IS FALSE.

Highest rated episode of the season by a landslide.

https://i.imgur.com/eutPnVc.png

Haters gonna hate. Everyone I know loved the episode.