It’s going to take some time to adjust to not cringing while watching 49 and 56 out there.

That's going to work out perfect, just imagine opposing QB's searching for 56 & 49 thinking Niemann and Sorensen. What a surprise for them. :thumb:

this guy looks like a cross between Jack Lambert and Brian Urlacher!

Sorenson didn't stray from contact! He would lay the wood! You know...if he got there in time!

I'd like to remember the positive things about Dirty Dan! He came up big at clutch times (yes...I also know he was getting slow and cost us at times).

No doubt. Dude had some absolutely clutch hits. That hit on Henry in the AFCCG, changed Henry’s mojo. Same with that hit in the Browns playoff game.

Hahahaha!!

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Are you serious with that shit? What the hell?

Dude weighs 250 lbs. Naw, man. Just no way. This is a Madden Create-a-Player and not a real human being.

So, I'm just saying-
if this kid is what he looks like he is,
and Karlaftis is what he looks like he is,

then That left side of the defense in base 4-3...with Jones, Karlaftis, and Chenal at SAM...Man, if you wanted to blitz, you could crush souls.

Just saying. it's May. It's daydream time.

But man.

Now put Jerry Hughes on the right side and open up the possibility of blitzing Willie off the weak side.

Oh, and gimme Hicks while you're at it so we can get some interior pass-rush pressure (or if we're in dream season, let's just say that Stallworth shows that his pass rush development in the 2nd half of last season wasn't a fluke...)

So if he's the Sam and has that athleticism, surely you could get him to be better in pass coverage and stay on the field right?

I mean, if you can do that, it helps immensely.

Can probably get him a little better at man.

Zone is so much about feel and really patience. He may just be too damn aggressive to be a real asset as a zone defender.

I think the gameplan will ultimately be to make him passable enough to ensure that teams don't do that sub package shit where they force us into bad substitutions and just attack.

If Chenal can be credible even when the Chiefs are trapped in a bad spot with him, that would be quite the improvement.

I don't think CP's been this hyped about an off-the-ball LB since.. Kendrell Bell? Mike Maslowski?

The hit he put on Tannehill in that AFC championship game was legit. Tannehill didn't play the same after it. He sucked HARD last season though.

I just don't think there's any way at all that he's not an upgrade over Niemann at anything football related whatsoever. I mean it's just a totally different level of athlete. Like...totally different. And by all accounts, he's a really smart kid, called the defense in college, etc.

There's just no way.

Ah, thanks. Hadn't been paying much attention and all white people look the same :-P

At this point, I wonder if Spags even cares that Chenal gets a lot of coaching in playing coverage.

I mean, yes, that's what he'll need to do, and it would certainly be nice for him to not suck eggs, but I don't think we drafted him to say, "We need a complete LB, so we'll take Chenal and then really coach him hard to make his coverage better."

No. They're going to ask him to run downhill like that. Move him around. Shed blockers and make tackles. That's his job. And he looks to be pretty damn good at it.

Hughes signed with the Texans.

Isn't that a AAA team? Surely someone will call him up.

This

But in order to be more varied I think you need him to be CAPABLE of dropping.

Not something that's one of his most critical tools, but you want to be able to throw a wrinkle or two out there where you have him drop back and send Gay or Bolton to screw up the blocking schemes.

I mean that's essentially what a true Sam is. They're not the Niemann nickel 'backers we've become accustomed to (Rose would presumptively have a line on that gig and then that scrub we got from the Panthers as well; Carter?).

He's a Ragland replacement. And if you'll recall, Ragland was surprisingly good as a Sam when we gave up on making him a pure Mike. He was a big part of that stretch run in the championship season.

Chenal can get to that point. And I really think the Chiefs need to get him there or else they'll be too easy to diagnose and attack.

They've gotta have a Quinn trade in the works.

Nothing else makes sense.

Brett Veach doesn't say "we're going to focus on refreshing the DL" and then bring back the same unit + a rookie with sub-par bend. I just don't buy it.

Unless there is another DE out there that we aren't thinking of.

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I can't imagine there is. Addison signed with the Texans a week or two back as well, IIRC.

I wouldn't gamble on Everson Griffen's headspace at this point. Morgan Fox is shitty.

Carlos Dunlap? But he's another Clark/Karlaftis sort of power/leverage guy.

I'm starting to get the distinct impression that they don't realize Frank Clark sucks.

In one of Veaches interviews he talks about trying to get a deal done with Tyreek and talks about how they were exploring the veteran DL market and mentions that route may have cost draft and cap capital and they weren’t going to do that with Tyreek.

I’d love a trade for Quinn, but I don’t think that’s the route Veach has plans for. He doesn’t fit the profile and I’m not sure why Chicago would trade him.

I honestly think Veach has one more big swing trade he’s going to make before camp.

Clowney had 11 sacks while being really good against the run last year. He also wouldn’t cost a pick, is younger than Quinn and could probably be had for a 2-3 year deal for less than Quinn.

After what Andy said.....surely not right? I mean he backed the bus up over him. No way.

Something has to be in the works. Maybe once they get OBJ done?

Veach said (on the PFT interview) that right now, they have enough room for a small/medium move and that after the OBJ extension, they will have enough for a big move.

He wouldn’t say that if he hadn’t already explored that option and has something in mind and it’s been discussed with the other team.

According to anyone that's ever talked about it, the organization just has zero interest in Clowney.

But Frank Clark is essentially Herpes and just won't go away.

I meant more of a trade.

But the longer this goes on….I think they’re expecting Kaindoh or Herring to take a leap forward.

But who knows at this point.

I don’t think they want to give up a fairly high draft pick to get a 32 year old in a year of transition.

Also think they want to see Kaindoh and Herring as Pest pointed out.

Herring was considered a 6th rounder BEFORE his knee went 'splodey.

Expecting anything out of him is nuts. Besides, he's just another plodding mauler. He's poverty Karlaftis.

That's fine for the last DE on your roster.

But right now the starting lineup needs help. And wanting to know what you have in two complete flyers is NOT a good enough reason not to bring that help in.

I looked at the FAs for 2023 at DE on Spotrac, and didn’t really see anyone too exciting.

I think plodding mauler might be Spags' type, does he really value bend? The best two DL FAs left are Ingram and Hicks, by a distance. Hicks is a significant upgrade at DT, Ingram would immediately, once again, be our best DE. It's not a fun trade or thrilling acquisition but it's what makes sense.

Just move Leo down to the line on passing downs and let him attack

People should remember that we DO still have Chris Jones who has the versatility to... ah hell, even I can't keep a straight face with that one.

Last offseason I bit on that one hook, line, and sinker.

Sorensen would flat out hurt people if he hit him. He also had a knack for clutch plays. Sadly though his mistakes far outweighed his positives.

Absolutely. I’d love to move him around on the D. With that said, I think pass coverage can be worked on with him. It’s just something he didn’t do a ton of at Wisconsin. He’s a downhill run stuffer.

He still moves out to the outside like 1/3 of the time on passing plays.

Precisely. They played Damien Wilson 64% and 61% of the defensive snaps the two years he was here. I can't fathom Chenal getting less than that.

The nice thing is they can be pretty rotational with all 3 of Chenal, Gay, and Bolton in 2 LB sets. If Bolton needs a breather, Chenal can play MLB and Gay can play either SLB or WLB.

I think that's exactly what we're looking at.

So let's say that he plays 60% of the snaps and during all run situations and most 'even' situations.

I mean you gotta figure that means he'll be in on probably 40% of the pass attempts we see? So 15ish passing snaps/gm?

Gotta get his coverage ability to passable to do that. You can't blitz him every damn time.

Out of necessity.

If you have a guy that can get the kind of interior pass rush pressure he gets, you're FAR better served keeping him inside on passing downs.

But unfortunately Frank Clark ****ing Sucks and Ingram has a hell of a motor but can still be swallowed up a bit in pure pass rush situations where the OT can just race him to the spot and use length to neutralize him.

Spags has always liked to move his pass rushers around.

Changed his number to 54 now that Bolton is 32

;)

I like it!

This kid is going to be a thumper.

Doing some digging on just how big Chenal's role might be and my ****ing god look at Niemann's and Hitchens snap counts. Gay and Bolton are about to have their workload increased significantly along with Chanel probably getting a significant amount of snaps. This defense is going to look so different compared to last season.

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This is my favorite thread. I can't wait until this dude starts crushing people like Lattimer in The Program


STARTING DEFENSE


A PLACE AT THE TABLE

I hope he takes Tom Brady out of the game when we play Bucks.


I hope he knocks Josh Allen into the stands (legal hit knocking him out of bounds) but he gets rocked and doesn't pass concussion protocol rest of the game

I'd like him make a career of taking out quarterbacks with legal hits but fines against Russell Willson and Eyeliner Carr.

This kid is going to wreck shit, and I'm here for it

The guy is a ****ing superhero on paper.

Good lord. He's going to murder people.

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We haven’t had a LB with murderous intent since… man, it’s been a long time.

Even if the guy isn’t as good as we think he can be or is only ever depth, we need him. Stark ****ing change from Hitchens, that’s for sure

Uh it’s been awhile but not that long if ya know what I mean

Stud

Too soon with the Belcher context?:evil:

That guy has John Cena arms!!!

CAN YOU SEE HIM?!?!? or something like that.

KC has never had someone with a prison yard mentality. Athletic freaks, but none who sought to put you 6 feet under with a florist on speed dial.

Though Trey Smith is close

Getting Brian Cushing vibes from the guy. Here for it.

With guys like this what usually happens is he makes the fans go nuts and then gets into the game and he's too slow and unathletic to match the hype.


Funny thing about that...

I can't believe I didn't think Belcher when I wrote that post. :doh!:

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RAS: Still reeruned

If RAS is reruned then the entire draft profile process is.

RAS doesn't tell the whole story. But I mean look at that stocky Wisconsin dairy farm redneck. Look at him. You and I both would bet every single possession we own that THAT GUY would not be able to have a better than 40 inch vertical. Like, impossible.

Hopefully without the body breaking down due to massive amounts roid use.

Lol dude you're arguing that compiling a list of every measurable at the combine is stupid? Like... if you don't want to talk about the composite score, then fine, but side by side comparisons of every drill and measurable is not reeruned. Why is this such a crusade? You just don't like how that data is compiled into a single number, but nobody cares about the main number. I care that he's heavier, quicker, and more explosive than Micah Parsons.

But on the field, he's just not. Which is what inevitably matters no?

If your score says that Leo Chenal is superior to Micah Parsons and Luke Keuchly - yes, it's very very stupid.

Besides, I've already gone over the numbers on the absurdity of RAS during draft season and am not going to relitigate it.

Keep telling yourself that Leo Chenal literally the most athletic linebacker in NFL history. I'm sure it will work out swimmingly for you.

RAS is reeruned.

Parsons is faster in the 40. My point was Chenal has crazy athletic traits and is therefore worthy of getting fanboyed.

Your personal hatred of RAS scores doesn't belong in this thread of positivity. It's like saying CEH's 40 time doesn't matter. It does. There are exceptions but it does.


Acting like RAS is similar to a PFF score is reruned

RAS tells you LESS about how a player will actually perform than PFF.

And for the record, I’ve said in this very thread that I love the Chenal pick and it’s may be my favorite of the draft.

Because I watched him play.

RAS, OTOH, says he’s first ballot Hall of Famer.

Well I'm not going to stop posting RAS scores because they are a super convenient collection of all the data we get from the combine and if you're going to get your panties in a wad every time I do maybe you should just go commando because I am not stopping.

RAS is just a piece of the picture, it doesn't tell you everything, but then nothing does.

His RAS score is very high, which means he's a really good athlete and has a high ceiling. That's not hyperbole. He could be great! Or not. But whether he reaches that lofty potential will be up to his ability to mentally process, how hard he works, and the coaching he receives as well as what he's asked to do within the system in which he is deployed. And then there's always injuries.

But could he POTENTIALLY be a star? You bet. Is it more likely than a kid with a 6 something RAS? You bet your ass. That kid would have to seriously outwork a much more talented athlete than Chenal. Totally possible, although Chenal is described as being a smart, hard working kid. So I doubt it

Having a higher RAS than Kuechly doesn't mean he's a better football player than Kuechly. It's just an overall grade of their measurables. Great measurables don't always equate to great on field play. But that doesn't mean it's worthless. Not in the least.

Dat RAS

I think when the pads go on at camp we're suddenly going to see this thread get bumped a lot with some of the quotes that start leaking out.

The great white hope!

Looks like he'd pull your head off your body and shove it up your own ass.

Billay is intrigued!!

I think there is a miscommunication here. You think posting RAS scores is supposed to be saying anything other than the speed, size, and strength data.

Relative to other players at his position, he has excellent weight, speed, strength, explosion, and agility. That is objective. It is not up for debate.

I know your points about height, and I have agreed with you. I don't care about the composite grade - that is a subjective interpretation of the data and means a lot less. I like seeing side by side comparisons as to how guys moved in tested and timed drills. it has value. It does not mean everything nor is it a predictor of success. But it is absolutely a factor.

Not unlike height for a basketball player. It's a hefty part of the equation, but you can fail with it and succeed without it. But typically those are outliers.

What his RAS score tells me is that, if he does not succeed, then it will not be due to a lack of athleticism.