my brother is a big Chiefs fan and he's like they need to stop doing anything social media as they make Patrick look bad. pretty sad when your wife and brother are using you to gain Clout and just terrible at it. i haven't seen them mentioned at all this year at least at the games i have watched.

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It's dumb. But If you guys like it, that's all that matters.

Oh look, a jag fan, cute.

Lots of teams try that.

It just never seems to work.

The vast majority of teams that have beaten Mahomes have done so through simply outscoring him.

Conventional wisdom has been 'shorten the game' for 5 years now.

Good luck with that, fellas. Better teams than Jacksonville have tried it and failed.

Hey bud, good to see you back. Been busy, eh?

to beat Mahomes you either need to have long drives keep him off the field, or pressure him without blitzing and get home make him uncomfortable. KC loses games they shouldn't like to the Colts this year and almost to Ten, and Hou.

Not really. I just need a break once in a while. After the Texans and Broncos games, this place got really negative and I just didn't want to deal with it at the time.

Jackson was forced off Social Media by the family.

Brittney is a figurehead in the community now with her business(es), so she really kinda has to remain.

That said, anything she had done was blown way out of proportion by the media anyway. That Champaign spray incident? Nobody there actually cared because that was one of the happiest moments in Chiefs history.

Yep. The only people that REALLY seem to care about her are opposing fans.

Not all of us. I still think the Chiefs will finish the regular season 17-0 this year.

The Colts loss was assisted by the Refs. (Go re-watch the Chris Jones penalty that would have won the game).

Also, IIRC it wasn't Mahomes fault that game as the team had many dropped balls (Kelce TD) and fumbles.


Now, there ARE some games that are totally on Mahomes (like the AFCC against the Bengals) where he completely shit the bed, and a few others misc where he just didn't play well.

Odds are highly unlikely Mahomes shits the bed against the Jags... but it is possible the Receiving unit lets him down with dropped passes and/or fumbles.

oh i know the refs screwed you over on that Roughing the passer vs the colts, he sacked, and came down with the ball while rolling to his side and still flagged. terrible call.

dropped passes are part of the game, reason we lost alot early in the season we lead the league in dropped passes which i think is alot more then they show on the sites.

mahomes is probably the most reliable QB i have watched in the last 20 years. he rarely has a bad game and when he does never has back to back ones.

How is "Chiefs lose to teams they shouldn't" a thing outside of Chiefs fans? Every team in the league does that, just like every team minus maybe like 2020 Bills will sleepwalk through a game or three.

It's something I'd expect reddit Chiefs fans to mention, just strange if fans of other teams think it's some kind of unique thing for the Chiefs, unless it's just being made up to sound edgy I guess.

Granted, Reid, Kelce, and so forth have all mentioned playing vanilla in the regular season and basically going through the motions, which I'm sure also isn't unique to teams that make the playoffs every year (the Patriots were pretty notorious for early season and even December losses before winning the SB).

And obviously, none of it has anything to do with the playoff Chiefs.

Colts game was about special teams more than anything, which is KC’s biggest weakness. They gave the Colts a 13 point swing in that game. They also gave Denver an 11 point swing on Special Teams recently.

FYP:

to beat Mahomes you need the Chiefs to turn the ball over, dominate their OL with 3-4, and have a mutant QB yourself.

Because the Chiefs should, on paper (especially to outside fans), win every game.

So when they lose at all, it's 'to a team they shouldn't' in the minds of fans looking for some glimmer of hope to cling to.

We went through this before the Bills game and the Mahomes/Reid era has 2 maybe 3 losses against teams they really should've beaten? The other ones were just close, tough games that they lost and firmly in the 'eh, shit happens' category.

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Chiefs don’t turn the ball over they are unbeatable.

The Colts loss is the only loss to a poor team in Mahomes' career, and it required a replacement kicker and numerous ST disasters.

Sorry. Mahomes wins games that he's supposed to win.

No. That was the Raiders game.... Against the Colts, Chris Jones said mean words to Matt Ryan, and was given an unsportsman like conduct penalty that extended a drive, after the Chiefs had stopped them on 4th down, with the lead, very late in the game in Colts territory. It was literally game over had that BS call not occured.

They make it darn tough.

You can try to play the game of limiting drives, but that requires you to be more efficient offensively than the Chiefs, and they have consistently been much more consistent than any other offense in football. With the full playbook open for the playoffs and Mahomes willing to use his legs even more and the Chiefs deep and varied group of weapons in 2022, this is perhaps harder than it's been sans 2018 with a healthy Sammy Watkins and Kareem Hunt still on the team.

You can try to drop a lot of guys in coverage, but that requires your front to win without help.

Really, it comes down to hoping you can win the turnover margin (and likely needing to win it by +2 or better) and have some unusual things happen.

Mahomes has played 3-4 bad quarters of playoff football out of 44. Hoping you get a random bad quarter is probably part of the equation, too.

Both AFC championship game losses featured some rough quarters.

Of course, all of this goes out the window if your QB is also a mutant elite-elite guy. Lawrence isn't that, yet.

are you sure Lawrence isn't there? he is not afraid. he threw 4 picks and just went back out and unafraid and slung it around the yard for 4 TDs.

also back in Dallas he thru it around the yard made elite throws into windows only a handful of qbs can make.

his only problem is starting fast he's still learning as Urban didn't teach him anything last year. but he can throw the ball as well as any of the final 4 in the AFC.

I haven't seen it yet. And yes, I did watch that game.

Lawrence is incredibly physically gifted. But he is not - yet - a guy who does superhuman stuff off schedule. And he doesn't quite have the level of weapons to elevate him, either.

I think he can take that leap next year.

Trevor makes a lot of sick throws, for sure, but he also misses too many. It might not seem like he misses many, because he's throwing a lot of quicker, shorter passes.

But the thing is: he's #24 in deep ball accuracy rating; Burrow is #2; Allen is #8.

Trevor needs to grow in his vertical downfield game and, maybe to the same extent, he needs weapons who can help him in this respect.

Trevor has put up great passing stats against low-ranking pass defenses -- although pressure can still bother him as it did against the Titans. Need to see him thrive against better defenses, too.

Just from eye test, putting him on a level with Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, is insane. I love Trevor, too, man, but that's insane. Off the top of my head, I'd put him around Dak Prescott-level (maybe I have a better impression of Dak than you do or maybe I'm thinking of the better Dak that we saw last night).

We avg 8.1 yards per throw at a greater than 67% comp rate. We avg 4.7 yards per carry. We are the best team on 3rd and long by a mile so even when teams KNOW we are throwing it they still cant stop us. Why we ever run the ball on 1st down is beyond me.

trevor has also had alot of dropped passes and some of those were 30+ one being a beautiful 59 yard strike in the endzone dropped by zay jones. early in the year we had a tonne of dropped passes, that number as decreased since we started our last 10 game stretch. which we are 8-2 over the last 10. all us jag fans wish he would use his legs more as he is very athletic. no way he should not be able to pick up 30-50 yards a game off schedule.

Thing is, it's not really about dropped passes. That happens to every team and QB. The thing is, it's really his decision-making.

Take the LAC game for example. at least two, if not three of those INTs were the result of poor decisions on Trevor's part. Without going into details, he tried to fit balls into places they just were never going to be completed. He basically was begging to be intercepted.

Now we could debate the whys and the wherefores of how those decisions were made, but that's kind of irrelevant here. The point is that Trevor repeatedly made bad decisions about where to go with the football.

Those are processing and decision-making problems, not a receiver or an arm talent problem.

Now maybe next year or whenever, he grows to the point where he stops making those kinds of decisions. But right now, based on this season, he's susceptible to making those kinds of decisions. Which eliminates Trevor from the 'elite' category in 2022.

Personally, I'm hoping he continues to grow as a QB. Overall, I like his game.

Oh good - we're talking about dropped passes.

I remember those days of rationalizing the statistics of our limited QBs...

Yes.

BECAUSE he threw 4 picks.

Elite passers don't throw 4 picks at home in the playoffs. Favre threw 6 in a game once, but 3 of those came in the 4th quarter when he was just slinging it to try to come back and that was on the road.

Roethlisberger threw 3 in a half at home once but it was in 2021 when that dude was as washed as washed gets.

Rich Gannon once threw 5 in the Super Bowl but 2 were during garbage time and, oh, the other team KNEW THEIR PLAYBOOK.

Elite players don't throw four picks in the first half of a home playoff game. It flat-ass doesn't happen.

You'll know your quarterback has officially made the big time when you're no longer rationalizing dropped passes to make him look better, but fielding questions about dropped interceptions as people are trying to tear him down.

Is Jacksonville the only AFC opponent the Chiefs never faced in the playoffs?

I think my Jags buddy has a point. Lack of deep threat at wide receiver and too many drops. I mean the Lions game would be a great example.

NFL Passes Dropped
Rank Team Passes Dropped
1 Green Bay Packers 30
2 Buffalo Bills 29
3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 29
4 Jacksonville Jaguars 29
5 Miami Dolphins 27
6 New York Giants 27
7 Kansas City Chiefs 26
8 Los Angeles Chargers 25
9 Cincinnati Bengals 24
10 Cleveland Browns 24
11 Dallas Cowboys 23
12 Denver Broncos 23
13 Detroit Lions 23
14 Indianapolis Colts 23
15 Tennessee Titans 22
16 San Francisco 49ers 22
17 Minnesota Vikings 20
18 Pittsburgh Steelers 20
19 Washington Commanders 20
20 Baltimore Ravens 20
21 New England Patriots 19
22 New Orleans Saints 19
23 Arizona Cardinals 19
24 New York Jets 18
25 Houston Texans 16
26 Las Vegas Raiders 16
27 Los Angeles Rams 15
28 Philadelphia Eagles 14
29 Carolina Panthers 14
30 Seattle Seahawks 13
31 Chicago Bears 12
32 Atlanta Falcons 9

Yeah I agree that Trevor isn't elite. Mahomes and Burrow are elite for sure. After that I guess Allen might be elite, then, ranking the non-elite, Herbert maybe a few guys then Trevor.

But using his first every playoff half to downplay Trevor's quality is pretty unfair. Can he not be forgiven for having playoff jitters?

I actually think Trevor has the potential to be elite, he’s got all of the tools and doesn’t seem to crumble in big moments like Allen or Herbert. He’s got some stuff in his game he needs to clean up for sure, but I’m rooting for the kid, unless he’s playing the Chiefs.

You don't think Rodgers defenders would be justified in pointing out that they led the league in dropped passes?

Am I not allowed to thumbs-up a post?

By the way, just wanted to say thanks for having me here. Nice forum and nice group of guys it seems.

Just rewatched the earlier game. The Chiefs offense is just too much. Toney and McKinnon were weapons that day, and there is no reason to think they won't be again. Throw in Kelce and JuJu as the possession receivers...Unless some how the Jax D line plays dramatically better and rapes our OT, how are they going to stop us?

I think most of us have forgiven him his "first playoff game" jitters, to be honest about it. it doesn't change the fact that those were some really bad decisions.

Plus, we saw him in week 10 or whenever that was as well. And while he didn't actually throw an INT in that game, some of his decisions were . . . questionable.

Will he grow out of that sort of thing is the million-dollar question. Fortunately, for him he has Doug Pederson to help him with that as he goes forward, so i do expect Trevor to have less of those moments as his career progresses.

I think the point here is that Trevor is definitely not a finished product, yet. As such, he's going to make some mistakes/questionable decisions, because that's currently a significant part of who he is. He's not Alex Smith; he's not going to consistently take the checkdown/most conservative pass. He's going to try and make a play. It's the when and where that will be the problem.

Light snow game, about 1" during game so far in forcast

Yeah, it doeesn't look good for JAX, when you re-examine the last game vs. the Chiefs. The only time they were remotely effective was when they played man against us, and JuJu went out early in that game, plus it was Toney's first game as a Chief and he only had maybe 15 snaps, only a handful of targets.

In zone, it was ridiculously easy for the Chiefs to move the ball. Almost everyone was open, consistently. The fumble and the INT took 10 or so points off the board to make it look a lot closer than it really was.

TBH, I think the only real chance JAX has, is if Pat just has one of those inexplicable horrific days. It could happen, it's really rare, but it could.

But if Mahomes comes out and plays just his average "I'm one of the best QBs in the world," kind of game (as opposed to the "I'm a God" kind of game), it's hard to believe that KC won't score 35+ points.

Then what does JAX do? They only average 24/gm; it's not very realistic to think they'll just explode for 40 points just because they're "battle tested," or they're "playing with house money," or whatever slogan every opposing team's fans have used since 2019.

And all season, with just a handful of exceptions, Spags defense has only allowed the opposing team right about their average in yards and scoring. Even with all the new faces and the three rookies in the secondary.

AGS, blahblahblah, but I wouldn't bet on it this weekend.

We take for granted qb development because all We've known is awesome mahomes. Before that just crappy retreads and busts. Lawrence will improve. He may end up in the top tier after few years of seasoning with a good coach.

More to the point that once a QB has won conference championships/Super Bowls, MVPs, and so forth, you don't have to defend them. By the time Mahomes had won a SB, we could all just laugh at the few detractors left.


Hmm, don't think there's anything special about the thumbs... are you seeing them on every single post (and not just the posts where someone has thumb-upped/downed)?

And welcome! :toast: This place can be rough around the edges, but we tend to meet people where they're at.

Personally, I'm pulling for him to improve. When JAX hired Pederson, I was certain Trevor would put a much better performance on tape. And I think he really has.

Imho, he could be a top-10 QB next season, partially due to attrition, but I think he could break into that tier. Certainly somewhere between 10 and 15th is almost a given in 2023, unless there's some flaw in his game that gets exposed.

As far as I can tell

Jt OSullivan QB School on Trevor's performance vs. LAC. he gets into the decision-making issues at the beginning of the game:

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Our QB was the MVP and is #7 on that list...

Oh I can't wait to come back to this board sat night. It's going to be fireworks going on, on how the chiefs lost to a bottom feeder jags team.

Wether your team Lawrence or not he's here to stay and going to take the king down.

DUUVVAALL

You're no different than any of the other troll fans that come here. After the j-ville pussy cats get shit stomped on Saturday, you'll disappear like a fart in the wind

I will be at Arrowhead yelling for my Chiefs! Can't wait! We are going to kick their asses up and down the field.

Right? Trolls rarely come back...

Saturday will be almost 4 years to the day when Shitface Sutton’s incompetence kept Mahomes from going to the Super Bowl.

Revenge time when Sutton returns to Arrowhead Saturday.

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Trevor Lawrence has never lost a football game on a Saturday (per nick wright)

Mahomes has never lost in the divisional round (per 4-0 record)

gonna be a great game

Lawrence has played TWO GAMES on Saturday in the NFL LMAO

Holy shit, Bob Sutton is still alive let alone still coaching?

I figured he died of old age a couple years ago.

Right. And how many of the college games was he favored in? Almost all of them. This "stat" is a non starter.

I thought he retired. But that was Sutton's defense we played back in week 10. The one we hung 500 yards and 4 TDs on. It felt good.

I’m sure the NFL Network will be rerunning this year’s game. I need to rewatch it.

You see where the Chiefs rank on that list right? Don't see us making excuses for MVP Mahomes or the #1 offense in the NFL do you? Exactly. Drops aren't the reason that Trevor isn't on the same level yet.

As for this game, the Jaguars haven't seen the type of team they are going to play this week yet. A true title contender, in their house, when it matters most. That's no easy task. The Chiefs aren't the Chargers. As far as I'm concerned, the only other teams on the Chiefs level are the other two teams playing in the other AFC divisional matchup. That's what it takes. I'm afraid the Jags are just nowhere near that yet.

Your only real hope is to get the ball into Etienne's and Kirk's hands again on passes underneath and keep it close. That's the Chiefs' major weakness defensively.

I don't think you have the pass rushers capable of consistently pressuring Mahomes though, as was evident in the first meeting. That and KC letting off again isn't happening in the playoffs. I just don't see this game being close. It really wasn't the first time, but now it's playoff time.

I'm going with 38-14.

A late Patrick INT made the game closer than it was. Chris Jones was unblockable during that game.. Their o line isn’t very good..
Don’t think they will be ready for the crowd noise in a playoff atmosphere..

Hmm, yep, it looks like it. That's interesting.

We're also only 17-21 in the postseason despite being 8-3 since Mahomes became the starter. Ew.

Looking like we might have snow on Saturday. At the very least some rain. Which team does this kind of weather favor?

My favorite team… The Kansas City Chiefs..

Looks like it could snow Saturday

Looks like any snowfall would be late, light and with no accumulations. Obviously this could change but as of now, I wouldn't factor in any snow in relation to the game.

The beauty of being a fan is we can talk smack and take a team lightly. I promise you that the Chiefs won’t be. They will be dialed in and ready to go.

You should probably be more scared of Mahomes. KC finished with a negative turnover differential this season and still finished with the #1 seed and the best record in the AFC. Imagine what it’s going to be like if KC doesn’t turn it over.

Easily. He has transformed that team and Trevor. They should be good for a good number of years if they keep those two.

Glad you are back though.

You seem especially dumb.

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What if KC wins? You coming back to eat humble pie?

The deal is you wont. And Lawrence will be the reason why the Jags lose.

You should try acting like you've been here before. Wait, never mind...

Should be a fun, tough game. They're scrappy. I don't take this game lightly at all. Pederson will pull out all the stops.

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