What about Mahomes getting hit in the head twice during that shoestring pass to Kelce. It was completely obvious. Also looked like a horse collar right before.



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I've found the best way to shut up the whiners. I can argue that it was a legit hold and Bradberry owned it. Doesn't matter. They still whine that it wasn't called all game. I can argue that the Eagles were false starting all night, doesn't matter. However, any time that I bring up the fumble that was overturned and the Goddert bobbled catch that wasn't, I ask, if the refs really were biased and helping the Chiefs, wouldn't you think that they could have ruled in the Chiefs favor in one of those very close calls? That drive resulted in a TD. I biased ref could have taken seven points off the board for the Eagles and put 7 up for the Chiefs. Crickets. Every single time. They just absolutely ignore what I said. They know that they just lost their argument and don't want to admit that they are just being a sore loser, so they just shut up and go away. ROFL

I've been thinking this too. Mahomes is so smart. He's like a second OC on the field.

Our defense was so gassed. I was rooting really hard for a first down and not a TD.

I counted about 3 times the play clock hit double zero no flag but they did get them once for it.

Another view

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NFL Films gets the perfect shot of the hold on Juju Smith-Schuster. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/eB3CL0paW1">pic.twitter.com/eB3CL0paW1</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1625765128095297536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

How about them ruling the TE bobble on the sideline a catch because his left toe touched a blade of grass for a fraction of a second?

If that was truly a catch, then the other one had to be a catch. It make no sense to only have to have possession with 2 feet down for less than a second while going out of bounds, but have to have possession for more than one second while in bounds.

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I feel cringe because that used to be us. We were the whinrts. Like after the Titans playoff game. Or after the Patriots playoff game. Etc.

Yes, there were egregiously bad calls in those games, but looking back we should have made other plays to win. But, at the time it felt like the NFL was against us for some reason. So, I empathize with Eagles fans up to a point.

But, they had a supposedly all time defensive front, and couldn't touch Mahomes much less sack him. And in the second half we scored on every possession. They game up a scoop and score, and they gave up the longest punt return in Super Bowl history.

That legitimate holding penalty didn't decide the game.

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He ****ing held him TWICE.

Just look at the delusional morons in the comments.

He even had his right hand around his chest, which I didn’t see during the game. It’s a ****ing hold and everyone can kiss our collective ass! Should have been called, bottom line.

It's the same as the Bengals game.

Game decided by penalty on the Chiefs opponent that was rightly called.

Non-Chiefs fans whine about the game being fixed, while ignoring the TD taken off the board for the Chiefs that did not HAVE to be (they didn't HAVE to call the hold on Wylie on the Pacheco TD run, and they did not HAVE to overturn the call of a fumble on the field on the Sanders play).

If the NFL was rigging in KC's favor, those things don't happen.

Its not rigged and this is coming from a Patriots fan. A couple years ago I predicted Mahomes would win multiple rings on here and it came to fruition. You guys have a great QB and will be running the AFC for years to come. Enjoy the hate because I used to enjoy enjoying it too.

Exactly! If they’re rigging it, they’re not going to wait around until the end and HOPE there’s a close call they can rig. They’ll pick the close calls throughout the game and there were plenty that were huge and would have won us the game immediately.

Apparently he now ran his route backwards so it's legal contact.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">this all happened behind the line of scrimmage btw where contact is ALLOWED</p>&mdash; ☄️ (@Legnah5) <a href="https://twitter.com/Legnah5/status/1625847904522104832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Contact is allowed. You can press a guy on the line, you can bump him off his route, you can jab him at the snap... You cant hold a guy.

Latest I saw this morning; If the Chiefs were the better team then they would have ran it in for a Td instead of running out the clock to kick a FG.


Needless to say a lot of people whining don't football much

The Chiefs were down 24-14 at half time and then the 2nd half happened.

Chiefs 1st possession of 2nd half- TD and we ran the ball down their throats. They couldn't stop us. 21-24 Eagles

Eagles 1st possession - 1st play Miles Sanders catches ball, Sneed destroys dude and Sanders fumbles. Bolton picks up ball and scores. This play was originally called a fumble and I believe that it was correctly called at first, but even if you wanna say it was iffy, the they should have upheld the call on the field. Officials overturn ruling on the field. Thanks for rigging this for us refs! 3rd and 14 and Hurts completes 17 yd pass to Dallas which was close and was challenged and upheld. This leads to a FG. This drive could easily have been 1 play with KC scoring a TD to go up 28-24. However with the refs helping the Chiefs it's 21-27 Eagles

Chiefs 2nd possession - another easy drive for a TD. KC up for first time 28-27

Eagles 2nd possession - 3 and out

Chiefs 3rd possession - Toney nearly takes the punt to the house. Chiefs score in 3 plays. Chiefs up 35-27

Eagles 3rd possession - drive down field and scored. 2 pt conversion successful. All tied up 35-35.

Chiefs 4th possession. Chiefs driving down field at will and absolutely burning all the time on the clock. 3rd and 8 from the Eagles 15 yd line. Juju has Bradberry beat on his route, so Bradberry grabs handful of jersey and then rides him the rest of the route. It's an easy first down at worse if Bradberry isn't handsy. Ref throws flag. Greg Olsen goes full ****ing tard, as Mike Pereira tells him to shut the **** up, it's a penalty. KC then burns the clock and kicks the game winner.

Aftermath -

Eagles fans wonder why Daniel Jones couldn't be QB instead of Mahomes, so they could have had a chance to win. They wonder why Andy completely outcoached them as well. What they haven't done, as far as I can tell, is blame the refs.

Bengals fans, Bills fans, Patriots fans, Broncos fans, and Raiders fans all cry about refs and how the NFL is rigged as they suck each other off. They hope to find comfort by beating us in their Super Bowl next year and will petition the league to make Regular Season Super Bowl rings just in case they beat us.

Lol wut?

Many Eagles fans are definitely blaming the refs.

The night of I thought they were fine.

Since then the media has taken them for a ride. Lost all respect for them.

FINALLY!

Like I said - look at the rear view and you could see that Bradberry had to have grabbed the shit out of him because Bradberry stopped on a dime and that's how he stayed in phase with JJSS at all.

It was blatant and Olsen just flat got it wrong.

Reality is losers/bad teams blame the refs. It's an easy way to cope. This won't be popular here but I don't think the refs rigged anything for us either when my team was a dynasty. We were so good (like how you guys are now) that other teams overplay their card and make stupid mistakes due to overthinking. When you are a good team you begin to notice this. People used to fear Brady and his Patriots and overthought everything when facing them. Except for teams like Miami, Denver and NYG. People now fear Mahomes and his Chiefs.

Personally I hate when people say that refs "rigged" a game. That is flat out illegal and I can't imagine any ref being able to do that much less collude with every other ref on their team without anyone noticing. The NFL would be able to catch that relatively quickly and would swiftly remove those refs. The NFL is far too big and popular to risk all of that with corrupt refs.

Now could refs inject bias into their job? I think so to a point. They are human and have favorite teams and players. One would have to wonder if that ref who named her kid after Brady was completely unbiased in that KC vs TB SB. Perhaps she was. I would not be surprised though if her bias leaned pro Brady. Not enough to outright rig the game in his favor though.

KC is now the bad guy and as such people want to bring them down and any way possible is fine. When KC succeeds, the haters can't accept that it was because they were better, only that they had help and it was because the refs "rigged" it or it was scripted.

What gets me the most is that they aren't as much upset that the refs called phantom penalties, but because the refs called legit ones. They didn't want them called. With the refs calling them, it's only because they wanted KC to win. Instead of being upset with the player who committed the penalty, they are upset with the ref for calling it. I think back to Mahomes first AFCCG. KC had the game won on a game ending INT..........except for the offsides by Dee Ford. I wasn't upset that the refs called it, because it was a penalty. I was upset with Ford for committing it.

History remembers winners. KC imo and I said this on Patsfans too that they will be remembered as a dynasty. You guys will be the team of the 20s and win a couple more this decade. I don't know if Mahomes is winning 7. I personally don't see it just because how hard it is to win that many but it wouldn't shock me if he did. He's that good.

Sorry if a repost but Chris simms was really adamant that it was clear holding. He’s one of the more reliable guys when it comes to these kinds of things

I was listening to 810 on the way to work today and they played a clip of the Eagles broadcast. Those guys called out the hold immediately. It was a hold.

I wish they wouldn't freeze the video right at the point where you can tell how much the grab impedes Juju's progress and allows the defender to catch up.

May have been mentioned already, but the Eagles spent their first timeout to avoid a delay of game on 3rd and 11 inside the Chiefs 20 with lead at 24-21 late in 3rd quarter. Chiefs stopped them after the timeout and Eagles kicked FG to make it 27-21.

If Eagles had not wasted that timeout, Chiefs would have had to try and score the TD on their last drive because a 3pt. lead with Eagles having 50 seconds and no timeouts would not be as good as 7 pt. lead with more time for the Eagles to have to score a TD to match.

Greg Olsen and all the other complainers were pretty much asking the referees to bail out Eagles for wasting a timeout.

I swear he was drunk the way he kept slurring. And I swear that Fox cut their broadcast of the trophy ceremony short because of it.

Look, we all know it was a penalty. The whole world knows it if they’re being honest. What shocks me is the narrative that they shouldn’t have called it at that point in the game. If that’s the case, and the Eagles get the ball back, Chris Jones should be allowed to pick Hurts up, whether he has the ball or not, and slam him full force onto his bad shoulder with no penalty.

It’s absolutely stupid to think refs should just start picking and choosing which penalties to call or not call within the last few minutes. It’s a slippery slope and frankly unfair.

If the broadcast would have shown the jersey grab immediately, it would have shut Olsen up, and the whole narrative is different.

The reason why it’s so hard to win 7 is because of the sheer luck required to do it. More often than not the difference between a win and loss in the playoffs comes down to one play or moment. I can pretty much highlight one play over the last five years that either cost KC a championship or gave them one.

No one questions it’s a hold anymore. Their issue was that it was called. They wanted it to not impact the outcome.

This is my favorite dumb shit argument against the flag.

"We don't disagree that it was a penalty. We just don't want it called in that situation because of its impact on the game."

All I hear is, "We only want decisions that benefit the Eagles." Because it's ****ing impossible for it to not impact the game if it's called or not. The only thing that changes is who benefits from the call/non-call. And most people were rooting for the Eagles.

Didn't impact the play they say in the comments... My God Bradberry was on his heels and grabs the jersey to change his momentum. He actually said that as well. JuJu is wide open if he doesn't grab him on the intitial route, he then has illegal contact when he turns it into a wheel...

Someone said Kurt warner had a good discussion on this as well with Rich Eisen. Kurt explains why it needed to be called.

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That shot right there is on the "Mic'd Up" SuperBowl show and it clearly was a hold. Up until that shot it was 50/50 for me BUT a real good close up of that shot convinced me what the ref saw and it was a good call.

BTW for FWIW no way Goedert made that catch inbounds. He bobbled that ball the whole time while inbounds and did not have possession until out of bounds. When they said his right foot was down while showing possession, I saw NO POSSESSION whatsoever but rather using his helmet in the process of gaining possession which DID NOT HAPPEN until he was out of bounds.

Yes this is the "Mic'd Up" piece I was talking about. Clearly a hold.;)

I'm glad they did because it shows you how much tension he put on holding the jersey. The NFL Brass told the NFL Network producers of this show to do this (freeze shot on the hold) to justify the call and back their refs I assure you. The Brass attempting to quiet the Philly fans criticism of the call which will NEVER WORK.:rolleyes:

Interesting.:hmmm:

I can't remember there ever being this level of butthurt over a call that's indisputably correct before. You can argue whether the refs should have let it go (they shouldn't, but you can argue it), but you can't argue that it wasn't holding.

I know deep down I'm biased in favor of the Chiefs when it comes to how I see calls, but if the shoe was on the other foot I honestly don't think I would be bitching about this one. There's been a bunch of times that defensive holding is called against the Chiefs and I'm ready to be pissed off, then they show the other angle of the defender pulling the jersey and I'm like "welp, can't argue with that."

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Bungholes fans crying that Mahomes getting hit 50 miles out of bounds was somehow not a late hit.