Tag and trade Jones for Scary Terry

I think it's a bit of a reach for any of these vets that are gonna be out there to be a real difference maker. Higgins is good, but man, for that price I don't think I'm interested.

There's gonna be some guys hit the market we don't think will, but even then....who knows.

Unless WAS is in for a full rebuild why would they move Terry?

I don't think a 1st rd WR is gonna be a difference maker in his first year and I would hate to 100% rely on just him.

Andy's offense is so complicated. Always has been for rookies from Rashee to Hardman to Tyreek to Jackson to Maclin.

I'm fine if they wanna draft a 1st rd WR but I want a vet and Rice in front of him leading the way so he can learn

Don't want to see MVS (Good luck somewhere else sir.) or Higgins on the Chiefs' roster next year. Otherwise, I'm down with whatever Veach & co. put together.

I don’t think KC can tag and trade Jones anymore nor do I think they would even if they could. He will walk and KC will get a comp pick at most.

We keep talking about WRs, but what are people’s thoughts on a TE being brought in as well?

I still think Marquise Brown is probably the best fit in FA for what KC would be looking for. He's fast and shifty and would be a major upgrade at the Z spot while also upgrading the deep ball game considerably. Plus, he has a miniscule drop rate as a pro despite playing with pretty unevenly accurate QBs. Pair that with another stab at WR in the draft and I think KC would be in business next year. Deep game would open back up, creating more room underneath for Kelce and Rice to do what they do best.

If you start playing around with their cap, they don't have a LOT of flexibility. I'm not sure how they get to solid operating status WITHOUT cutting Williams. And Allen. And Mack.

All 3 are on their last year of their deals, so restructuring doesn't really help unless you're creating void years to make it work, and I can't see a new coach willingly doing that for first-year success.

Why would Washington - which already has $20M+ committed to two separate DTs on their second contracts - want Chris Jones?

Depends who it is.

I also think that's a bit overblown. If the guy can play, he'll get his as we've seen with the guys you listed.

They're at a real tipping point. They either go full Saints, or they blow it up.

Go look at their cap. They arent going to have a choice. They save near $25 mil by cutting a receiver who turns 32 this offseason. They will have a new front office and new coaching staff. They are in a full blown rebuild mode. 32 year old and extremely expensive Keenan Allen is not in their future plans.

Brett Veach is a bottom feeder, his MO is to target guys he liked in the draft that went somewhere else and become available. He looks for projectables so I'd bet we'll see a WR in the draft and a whole bunch of lottery tickets in UFA.

Yeah, I'd love to pry Kyle Pitts away from the Falcons....somehow.

If things go south in the playoffs I think Mahomes demands some veterans who know what the hell they are doing.

Sure. But I wouldn't trust a rookie WR opening day to be WR1 or WR2. I think that would be incredibly stupid

This is where Veach could zag when people expect him to zig.

Kinda like the Thuney deal when everyone expected a LT

Whenever a position group is in crisis you always see veach bet big. If be shocked if he doesn't make a statement. I imagine half overhaul with 1-2 big moves

Depends who it is. Ideally, we'd have a vet to ease it in, but if somehow they got Malik nabers, he's a day 1 guy.

Or Odunze

I don't think that TE is available in free agency. Not a super impressive class.

It would have to be a trade or something to bring in a difference-maker at TE.

If the Ravens have really liked what they see from Likely, Andrews may be available.

I expect a FA and another round 1-2 pick. Not exactly the full tilt rebuild we saw on the d after 19 or the Oline build we saw after the SB. We arent really where we were then with the cap and flexibility.

14? I'd say closer to 20.

He's hard to gauge.

Didn't have a big year, was hurt, only hit 1000 yards 1x on his rookie deal.

He's had 1 1k season. I dunno if he's a 20 million dollar guy, no way i'd do that, but FA is wild.

Our 1st round pick and Terry Mclaurins deal for Aiyuk is gonna be nice

You wanna get anyone that has any decent talent? Well you're overpaying.

Just the way it is

If we land someone like aiyuk, that move on its own makes this offense is going to be terrifyingly good. But yes use the draft to build some depth and role players

I think we should only do that if we strike out in FA

It would ruin all my draft day wet dreams but I wouldn't hate it. I advocated trading for Aiyuk when he was on baby rats shit list a few years ago.

There's a reason they're a FA.

Go trade and pay someone and be done with it. Those are the good players Anyway.

Yep, and they are going to have to do so.

You can't go into next year with Rice as your #1 and a bunch of unproven guys again. You just can't do it. I think they'll go for a guy like Mooney though who has played in this system before and won't cost 20 million a year, but they're going to have to pay 1-2 guys, end of story. If it costs you someone on defense, you're going to have to live with it.

IDK I thought that at first but he has a terrible drop rate. Might as well just keep MVS.

Plus, he seems to get nicked up a lot, last few years,,,

Man, I don't know. I like going to get an Allen or Lockett on a Hopkins type deal if they become available and try to get a stud WR 1 of the draft on the cheap.

Jeesh you're right, didn't realize he was so brutal there.

Well shit.

That's the ideal situation, (they may have accomplished that last year as Rice looks realllll nice).

But the issue you have is that while this is a loaded WR draft.....they aren't all gonna pan out. It's just the way it goes, some will end up being good players but not legit #1 WR's. Now theoretically, you don't need that, you just need some good solid competent WR's, but after seeing Pat get jumpy and such this year, I dont' think you go for that.

You need some top end guys, plus with Kelce looking like father time is close, it's time.

Wait...so...

Do we want a dude, or a guy? Or is it a DOOD?

Higgins, Boyd, Evans, Ridley, Gabe Davis, Marquise Brown and Darnell Mooney are probably the best scheme fits.

Of those, my preferences in order would be:

1) Higgins
2) Evans
3) Ridley
4) Boyd
5) Davis
6) Mooney
7) Brown

Rice buys you some freedom to do what I suggested. You have 1 for sure guy good WR coming back. You can go invest in a 30 something proven vet with a year or 2 left and take a few shots in the draft. Even if Kelce is 80% of what he was that's still a nice weapon to have when you actually have 2 or 3 other guys that can get open. Just no more guys that were shitty elsewhere but have some elite traits so we try to fix their shit. I've seen enough of that.

Well....that's just gonna be what they're gonna have to do somewhere. Maybe they try it on the DL now.

Evans/Higgins or bust. Need a big FA.

I think Cullen has proven he can get the absolute best out of everyone in that group, so I'd be fine with doing that. Simply cannot do it with the WRs again, though.

He has, but he's also been given alot of pretty high end talent up there.

No chance. Drops are one thing, but with him he is not only dropping passes, but he does not appear to care anymore which for me is far worse.

This is a deep WR class, but from what I saw, there are only a few #1s, but lots of guys that would be great as secondary weapons. Sign Evans, trade down a few spots for a few more picks to a team that wants Nix or Penix, get the best guy in the low 30s (Thomas, AD Mitchell ?), maybe even later with a traded-for spot, and sign a lesser knopwn FA or even trade a 2025 pick for a reliable guy. Anything less than 3 new faces will still likely be too thin a corps.

Looks like this should be pretty easily solved. Plenty of quality FAs available that can be affordable. Then draft one of the top WRs from a good class. Possibly a TE too if there's a standout. Problem solved.

I'm pretty zeroed in on Hollywood in FA and Ja'Lynn Polk in the 2nd round of the draft. Brown can do it all and has some high-end speed even if he isn't a stud. He's going to be reliable in finding the spots in zone, catching the ball, and can give those take-the-top-off looks that Andy loves. Polk is alot like Rice but he catches literally everything. Maybe get a late-wave FA like Shenault that they tried to get a year or two ago to round it out. I don't rightly care who that player is, just another guy that can try to push the bottom of the depth chart.

Can this team hire a competent WR coach and passing game coordinator? That'd probably be the most important.

I don’t think teams that want Penix or Nix will have issues waiting until RD 2 to get them. They could easily trade up early in the second to nab them vs giving up more to get them in KC’s round 1 spot. I do agree that they need a vet WR if for nothing else but to be reliable and stabilize the WR room. That room has a severe lack of veteran leadership right now.

I'm curious about Locket's availability this offseason, plus Hunter Renfrow, both could be let go. I like Polk! Here's a few more names I like in the 2nd...


Johnny Wilson, FSU, 6-7, 235, 4.42
Branden Rice, USC, 6-3, 210, 4.38
Malachi Corley, WKU, 5-11, 200, 4.46
Ladd McConkey, Georgia, 6-0, 185, 4.6

...or if Thomas Jr somehow falls to us in the 2nd!

Would also to love Devin Duvernay as another option.

He has speed, can return kicks and when he plays WR has looked very good.

It's gonna be one of Andy's buddies that knows his scheme. Pederson, Kafka, Nagy, Spags, Bieniemy, Pinkston, Bleymaier and Embree all either played for Andy or started their coaching careers with him.

Highly doubtful he changes anything about his offense at this point

Not seeing what he provides that Hardman doesn’t. If there was ever a team that he should have had more time as a WR, it’s Baltimore. He has yet to crack 500 yards in any season for them.

I'm fascinated by this place.

Spend all season bitching about our WR's, and then gush over FA's that really don't solve our problem.

Better than bad does not equal good.

Either sign/trade for an alpha or draft the best you can in R1.

Otherwise, a lot of the suggestions in this thread are half measures - which is why we're in this spot to begin with.

You're gonna be atleast in the mid to late 20's drafting. I dunno if there's gonna be a prospect there that you really lock in on, so it's a potential trade down, add picks and add players.

Tag and trade Chris Jones

Evans
Odunze
Rice
Kelce

Super Bowl please and thank you.

I think with a couple bold moves the Chiefs have a very real chance to get back to 2018 caliber Chiefs offense, immediately. I understand Tyreek was a unicorn and is irreplaceable. Hear me out though.

Rashee Rice is leading the entire NFL as a rookie in YAC. Next year, he will be a BETTER, much cheaper version of catch and physical run Sammy Watkins.

Isiah Pacheco is emerging as one of the better backs in the entire league. He provides the same physical presence of that we saw with Kareem Hunt.

Take a gamble, pull out the credit card so-to-speak and go GET an alpha #1 elite receiver for Mahomes. Malik Nabers or Rome Odunze fall to 10ish territory go get him! An elite receiver is availble for trade? Use draft capital and go get him! Veach loves Mike Evans in free agency? Make it happen!

An older Kelce surrounded by all that talent can turn into pure possesion receiver and chain mover. Stay more healthy and fresh. His chemistry with Mahomes is one of the best the league has ever seen.

Say what you will about Kadarious Toney. He is still electric AF and a former top 20 pick. Fkx the drops. The defense has to account for him.

I’m all for the alpha solution if one happens to appear in front of us. But I’m not gonna hold my breath.

I think we’re just gonna have to enter with low expectations and aim for better than bad.

Draft a guy or two, sign those WRs that don’t really move the needle much, get the **** rid of MVS, and hope Rice continues to grow into a special player.

I think it’s probably the best we’re gonna get. Would love to see Veach pull a rabbit out of his hat, though

Nabers is just to unattainable. It would cost a couple firsts to get him. It's just not gonna happen I don't think.

My vote: Marvin Harrison Jr.

MVS was one of the worst WR's in the league at dropping deep passes in GB when we signed him. His hands were always bad. And Watson was a practice squad player the month before we got him.

Sure seems like we're getting what we paid for.

What do you consider a half measure? Would someone like Tyler Boyd who had 1k seasons in Cincy before Chase/Higgins got there and then 700+ yard seasons as WR3 consistently since a half measure?

If anything that looks like what JuJu was to me

Boyd, Rice and Kelce would be enough.

We just need a pretty good receiver. We don't need a 25 million dollar per year guy.

Tyler Boyd is 30. Unless he wants a 1 year deal....nah.

Watch him play.

He’s better than Hardman at WR.

I don’t care about out of context stats.

I don't feel like signing a 30 year old slot WR is the ticket.

We are bad precisely because not only do we not have elite WRs, our bottom of roster guys suck too.

Last offseason guys were saying every WR that wasn’t a superstar sucked.

Everyone was washed , etc

Odunze would be the perfect fit but that ain't happening so we're probably looking at Troy Franklin.

It's the top of the group that kills you, not the bottom. If you had this group, minus MVS as your 4/5/6 type guys, you're fine.

Toney as the #4/fringe #3 guy is a really talented room.

Exactly.

It's easy to say "sign/trade for an alpha" or draft the best you can in R1.

Which Alpha are you signing? Mike Evans is the only one I think will actually make it to FA. Higgins is going to get re-signed or tagged or tagged and traded to somone not the Chiefs. Same with Pittman.

Is Ridley an alpha?

Who are you anticipating being available via trade? That's a tough thing to count on.

Who is an alpha in the draft? Harrison is, but KC isn't getting in position to take him. You pay the same type of price to get Malik Nabers or Rome Odunze as the Chiefs did to get Mahomes?

There's not an EASY answer, and KC has to be careful to not get DESPERATE to try and create an easy answer.

Marquise Brown in FA and Troy Franklin in rd 1 is probably a significant improvement at WR compared to this year. I’d like another shot taken at the position later in the draft as well.

Well, we saw this year that they're probably gonna have to get aggressive and create an answer or their QB is gonna have a mental breakdown.

Whoa, pump the brakes a tad. Sammy was a legit 1, probably at a minimum a top-15 to -20 NFL WR for a short period of time when he was healthy in BUF, that could consistently play zone and beat man coverage.

Rice is progressing very well, but he ain't that, not yet. He has to continue to develop his releases and his breaks at the top of his routes, and probably a couple other things, before he's in (what was) Sammy's league.


And Sammy was more twitchy with the ball in his hands, imo, but that's another matter.

The fanbase already is - christ people are advocating for guys like Hollywood Brown and Mooney, who haven't done shit in like 3 years.

OOOOH "insert WR here" had a 1k season once! Go get him Bert Varch!

Duncan is right - WE don't know who is going to be available on the FA or trade market - but it's Veach's job to have a pretty good idea and plan accordingly.

Every year there are surprising cap casualties as well. If they *want* to go get a true WR1, they will.

My concern is that they're going to go the spare parts route again, and we're right back here talking about how we're overpaying another bottom of the group WR like MVS.

Well....we're kinda back to the "maybe we shouldn't have traded the HOF all time great WR" but that ship is sailed. They probably will go with the draft and mid tier signing route and try to develop them.

It's probably not the worst idea, but as we have seen this year, shit can go off the rails and when you go that way, you don't have much to lay back on.

The crazy thing is, they really had Hopkins basically fall in their lap and didn't do that. I'd like to get why they didn't atleast dip more toes in that water.

If Penix plays against Mich like he played against Texas, i think he'll be a 1st rnder. Great pocket poise, decent mobility, good accuracy, especially long ball. Like usual, the Pro Days will be the final factor, but every GM realizes you have to have a QB to win these days, and if someone drafts Mitch Trubisky at 2, surely they won't let Penix get to the 2nd.

They need to draft and develop regardless of the plan in FA/Trade.

I don't want MVS back, never was a big fan for the fit. Just saying dont just go get part II because he knows the offense.

3+ new WRs is overboard I think. They don’t need a complete overhaul, and you need a little continuity.

I think one good free agent/trade and a 1st or 2nd round pick will be plenty good enough, as long as they don’t draft another Moore.

FA/trade
Rice
Draft pick
Watson
James
Toney

If Toney performs and stays healthy, that’s just a bonus.

I have a bad feeling they’re going to keep Moore though.

This is a bit of a mixture thing, right now just having competent WR's that know how to lineup and win a route would improve the team dramatically.

I don't think some people understand just how unfunctional the Chiefs passing game is for an NFL passing game at the moment.