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T-post Tom 03-11-2024 10:41 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chris Jones has passed his physical &amp; is signing his 5-year contract with the Chiefs, per a source.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1767216452069679268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

duncan_idaho 03-11-2024 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17436107)
PFF is spot on whenever their numbers back up the point I’m trying to make.

They’re garbage otherwise.


Nah, it’s trash all the time.

KSCHIEF 03-11-2024 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17435858)
For the last ****ing time…. Anyone who mentions cutting Reid again needs to be kicked off CP forever. If anything we need to extend him not cut him

What if cutting Reid allows you to pay Sneed on the tag this year? It's realistic you can save $7 - $8 mil by cutting Reid and signing a vet. This defense has plenty of leaders: Jones, Bolton, Sneed, McDuffie. I like Reid. I don't love him. And if you can save $12 mil on a player you just like, but don't love, you have to at least discuss it.

I don't see anyone saying he sucks or that they hate him.

duncan_idaho 03-11-2024 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KSCHIEF (Post 17436345)
What if cutting Reid allows you to pay Sneed on the tag this year? It's realistic you can save $7 - $8 mil by cutting Reid and signing a vet. This defense has plenty of leaders: Jones, Bolton, Sneed, McDuffie. I like Reid. I don't love him. And if you can save $12 mil on a player you just like, but don't love, you have to at least discuss it.

I don't see anyone saying he sucks or that they hate him.


They play 3 safeties so much, though, that you have to replace Reid somehow. So you’re saving $12M on Reid, but what are you spending to replace him? 1/3 to 1/2 of the savings, and at that point, the value and sense shrink away.

Toad 03-11-2024 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 17436298)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chris Jones has passed his physical &amp; is signing his 5-year contract with the Chiefs, per a source.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1767216452069679268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah but what is his PFF grade?

penguinz 03-11-2024 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17436371)
They play 3 safeties so much, though, that you have to replace Reid somehow. So you’re saving $12M on Reid, but what are you spending to replace him? 1/3 to 1/2 of the savings, and at that point, the value and sense shrink away.

Also have to add in that Reid knows Spags defense. Do we want to have a new guy in that is learning vs someone who knows the D and Spags trusts to make the DB play calls?

DRM08 03-11-2024 11:31 AM

Christian Wilkins at $28M per year is making the Chris Jones deal look pretty reasonable.

FloridaMan88 03-11-2024 11:38 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The CEO is staying home. <a href="https://t.co/2EAKyEhxCY">pic.twitter.com/2EAKyEhxCY</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1767238310429180367?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wisconsin_Chief 03-11-2024 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17436434)
Christian Wilkins at $28M per year is making the Chris Jones deal look pretty reasonable.

Thank God we caved, or you'd be reading about CJ signing with the Raiders as we speak.

Couldn't even imagine this place right now if it had been allowed to happen.

warpaint* 03-11-2024 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Toad (Post 17436387)
Yeah but what is his PFF grade?

What grade = most clutch defensive player in franchise history.
In every big game when the d makes a big play to get off the field at critical times he’s always in the middle of it. It’s uncanny.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-11-2024 11:55 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More years of <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@StoneColdJones</a> greatness to come �� <a href="https://t.co/6Ujlmxny9p">pic.twitter.com/6Ujlmxny9p</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1767244344610660646?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DRM08 03-11-2024 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17436505)
Thank God we caved, or you'd be reading about CJ signing with the Raiders as we speak.

Couldn't even imagine this place right now if it had been allowed to happen.

And the idea of replacing him with Christian Wilkins is looking pretty dumb now that Wilkins got $28M per year. That’s a crazy price for him.

Wisconsin_Chief 03-11-2024 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17436536)
And the idea of replacing him with Christian Wilkins is looking pretty dumb now that Wilkins got $28M per year. That’s a crazy price for him.

Absolutely. Once the Raiders gave Jones his $32 million a year, the market would have been set and Wilkins would have still gotten around what he did, so if we went after him it would been a horse apiece money wise.

I was a little worried that Veach caved and paid so much, but as the chips keep falling it's pretty clear why he did it. There was literally no other choice.

BigRedChief 03-11-2024 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17436611)
Absolutely. Once the Raiders gave Jones his $32 million a year, the market would have been set and Wilkins would have still gotten around what he did, so if we went after him it would been a horse apiece money wise.

I was a little worried that Veach caved and paid so much, but as the chips keep falling it's pretty clear why he did it. There was literally no other choice.

yeah Veach must have known where the market was heading today. Seeing Jones in a Raiders because we wanted to save $2-$3 million on an inferior DT would have sucked big time.

RedinTexas 03-11-2024 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17436635)
yeah Veach must have known where the market was heading today. Seeing Jones in a Raiders because we wanted to save $2-$3 million on an inferior DT would have sucked big time.

I thought I read where Clark Hunt stepped in and said to just get the deal done. Does anyone know what really happened here? Did Veach bend and give the deal to Jones, or was it only because Clark stepped in, or part of both?

lawrenceRaider 03-11-2024 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17436536)
And the idea of replacing him with Christian Wilkins is looking pretty dumb now that Wilkins got $28M per year. That’s a crazy price for him.

Market rate. Crazy? Probably not as crazy as the $20MM+ some of the offensive guards are getting.

Wilkins with Crosby and Koonce is a pretty phenomenal DL. If Wilson continues his improvement playing inside, that's a dominant DL.

lawrenceRaider 03-11-2024 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17436657)
I thought I read where Clark Hunt stepped in and said to just get the deal done. Does anyone know what really happened here? Did Veach bend and give the deal to Jones, or was it only because Clark stepped in, or part of both?

Honestly, Jones would have been crazy not to take the deal, or even one more like what Wilkins received.

Not many players have had a legit shot at a threepeat in the NFL.

IowaHawkeyeChief 03-11-2024 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17436611)
Absolutely. Once the Raiders gave Jones his $32 million a year, the market would have been set and Wilkins would have still gotten around what he did, so if we went after him it would been a horse apiece money wise.

I was a little worried that Veach caved and paid so much, but as the chips keep falling it's pretty clear why he did it. There was literally no other choice.

Yep, with that big increase in cap, it's like inflation, everything goes up. You are seeing that particularly the Guard signings today.

Tribal Warfare 03-11-2024 01:45 PM

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Red Dawg 03-11-2024 01:49 PM

It does make me smile. Jones wants ring 4 and the 3 peat line title.

Bl00dyBizkitz 03-11-2024 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17436611)
Absolutely. Once the Raiders gave Jones his $32 million a year, the market would have been set and Wilkins would have still gotten around what he did, so if we went after him it would been a horse apiece money wise.

I was a little worried that Veach caved and paid so much, but as the chips keep falling it's pretty clear why he did it. There was literally no other choice.

There are worse problems to deal with compared to overpaying your Hall of Fame DT to be a Chief for life.

And yeah, the thought of having to line up AGAINST Chris Jones in a Raider or Texans uniform is soooooo much worse than the alternative of just paying him.

Mosbonian 03-11-2024 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 17436684)
Market rate. Crazy? Probably not as crazy as the $20MM+ some of the offensive guards are getting.

Wilkins with Crosby and Koonce is a pretty phenomenal DL. If Wilson continues his improvement playing inside, that's a dominant DL.

Yeah...but you still don't have an offense or a QB that matters....

Defense can win....unless you are playing the future GOAT and KC's version of the Grim Reaper.

Wisconsin_Chief 03-11-2024 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17436866)
And yeah, the thought of having to line up AGAINST Chris Jones in a Raider or Texans uniform is soooooo much worse than the alternative of just paying him.

Oh yeah, once I saw what the Raiders paid Wilkins, and it became quite apparent what would have occurred had Veach continued to play hardball, any doubt that I had about what they gave him was instantly gone.

Jamie 03-11-2024 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17436148)
It's like RAS.

The component parts of RAS are interesting. The 'score' that it creates is just absolutely asinine.

RAS is just an index, it's not meant to be predictive of success. All it tells you is approximately how a player's measured size and athleticism compares to other players at their position. The scores lack context, sure, but that's the nature of what it is. I don't think it's fair to compare it to PFF, which ultimately boils down to some anonymous dipshit's subjective grading of game tape.

tredadda 03-11-2024 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17436866)
There are worse problems to deal with compared to overpaying your Hall of Fame DT to be a Chief for life.

And yeah, the thought of having to line up AGAINST Chris Jones in a Raider or Texans uniform is soooooo much worse than the alternative of just paying him.

Looking at some of the Day 1 contract being handed out, Jones is already looking like a steal.

RealSNR 03-11-2024 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 17436855)
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If Mahomes passes Brady, then I hope Jones passes Charles Haley for most by a non-QB.

RedinTexas 03-11-2024 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17437282)
If Mahomes passes Brady, then I hope Jones passes Charles Haley for most by a non-QB.

Thuney currently has 4.

BigRedChief 03-11-2024 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 17436687)
Not many players have had a legit shot at a threepeat in the NFL.

a 3peat will outlive us all. A player in that run, it oshould be a good pull to get them here.

Hammock Parties 03-11-2024 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17437282)
If Mahomes passes Brady, then I hope Jones passes Charles Haley for most by a non-QB.

dynasties!

DRM08 03-11-2024 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 17436684)
Market rate. Crazy? Probably not as crazy as the $20MM+ some of the offensive guards are getting.

Crazy in comparison to what people on this forum were hoping in the event that Chris Jones left the Chiefs. They were hoping Wilkins could be signed for $23-24M per year...but he comes in much closer to $30M per year. KC is better off just keeping Chris Jones at the high price.

AussieChiefsFan 03-11-2024 06:51 PM

Really happy with the contract given what Wilkins got.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ba264d91e0.jpg

BigRedChief 03-12-2024 06:13 PM

Yep, Veach doesn’t sign Jones. He was going to be a Raider.

Wisconsin_Chief 03-12-2024 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17439790)
Yep, Veach doesn’t sign Jones. He was going to be a Raider.

I honestly think Clark stepping in probably had a lot to do with him catching wind that the Raiders were ready to pounce on CJ. There was no way Clark was going to let one of his newly created legends end up there the year after back to back SB wins.

Have to hand it to the Raiders, they were ready to rock the NFL world. Glad we didn’t let them. It was definitely the right call. The momentum shift of that occurring would have been pretty earth shattering.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-14-2024 07:24 AM

Re: Jones and aging through his deal…

It has come to my attention that the decline of Aaron Donald has been greatly exaggerated.

Per ESPN’s pass rush win rate stats, Donald at age 32 last year led the DT position in pass rush wins and was tied for first with Jones in pass rush win rate %: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-players-teams

The Rams’ down year in 2022 with Donald’s ankle injury put a cloud over his perception, but he was still very clearly a top-2 DT in the league throughout his age 32 season.

Again, just to say, the only thing that’s gonna be able to keep Chris from maintaining his elite level of play through at least the first three years of the contract would be injury. These freaks of nature dominate for awhile and I won’t be surprised if Donald has another tremendous year now that the Rams are good again.

Titty Meat 09-07-2024 02:42 PM

It's insane to me that people shit on bringing him back. Sometimes this place gets too wonky. He again showed he's the best DT in the league and it's not even close

KCUnited 09-07-2024 02:44 PM

Sleep it off homes, we'll see you tomorrow


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