I saw a story the other day suggesting that the Chiefs bring back another former player who is currently a free agent to shore up the secondary. Marcus Peters. I didn't realize that he was available, but I assume that he's washed if nobody has signed him.

Thankfully they are playing a TB team without Evans and Godwin so they will have more time to get someone if needed.

Super washed and the defense is working so well because everyone's bought in and doing their job. Peters problem was always just doing whatever the hell he wanted and hope he picked it. The Ravens got him in line a little better but he still just roamed some times.

Yeah I listen regularly. Those dudes are well connected. Mark Schlereth, Brandon Stokley, Phillip Lindsay, etc...I dont think he'd just be throwing shit out there unless he heard a trade was imminent from a reputable source. Has to be a corner.

Newsome would take this defense to another level. Would love to see this happen.

I’m really happy with the way the trade deadline is going in the NFL this year. It seems to be a huge change from the boring years past.

I hope this is how it is from this point on bc it’s actually fun seeing these moves happen

The Chiefs are the reason why man.

They are trying to become the greatest team ever, and a lot of their counterparts are under immense pressure to stop it.

LOTS of guys on the last year of their contracts. Maybe the thing to do is go look at players that contracts run out in 2026 to get a jump start on what next years trade deadline class could look like. OH and all these injuries could be the main factor as well.

That would be intriguing as hell. But I gotta figure he'd be a little pricy.

His 5th year option next season is reasonable; about $14 million. That's a little high for a #2 CB but not out of bounds (and really, that's what he is -- he's not a guy that should be getting a CB1 contract but he ultimately would in FA).

But would a 3 really get that done? With a year of team control left and a pretty palatable base salary this season, it seems like the Browns could get a relatively decent return for him.

Definitely. And honestly I can’t blame Buffalo and Baltimore. They’re the 2nd and 3rd best teams INT he AFC. They’re going for it. If I were them I would do anything I could to dethrone us.

I love Veach’s moves though. It’s gonna be hard next year bc I want to keep both Hopkins and Uche.

I think the big reason might just be that there's no cavalry coming and really no plan B.

Williams is it. I mean you're looking at Roland-Wilson behind him and of course Johnson if he gets healthy.

But none of those guys have really shown much.

Williams remains a strange case. He looked really good down the stretch last season and seems to have just lost it a bit. I don't know if he's over-exposed or what. But it seems like he's capable of being better than this. When you see Watson get so much better on the same timeline with tools that are extremely similar ot Williams, you just wonder why.

Was it that Watson was on a bit of a hot streak and may have come back a bit? Or does Williams not have something between the ears? I just don't get it.

But this isn't a situation like WR where I think they really expect that Brown is going to return in the last week or two of the season. Or even at OT where they think they can scheme around it a bit.

This would seem to be the place they MOST need a bit of a talent infusion.

Well, maybe they can do that at the expense of a Trey Smith or Nick Bolton.

Definitely gonna win some and lose some in that FA market. But it's the best Chiefs roster of my lifetime, you aren't gonna keep that thing together forever.

I remember in 2022 thinking, man, if we don't win a Super Bowl after back-to-back classes like we had in 2021 and 2022... yikes.

And we may end up with not just one, but at least two and maybe three.

Hopkins will come back if he performs.

Uche took less money last season to stay in NE and look how it worked out for him. If he provides a shot in the arm and can get the kind of deals he passed on last season (nothing amazing, but rumored at stuff like 2/$15 million) he's gotta take that.

But I could really see Hopkins sticking around if this experiment works. He has GOT to be tired of chasing the bag at this point and playing for shit teams.

Veach seems to disagree. Looks to me like he thinks improving the pass rush will help the corners we already have on the roster.

The Chiefs are gonna have to bring him back if Kelce retires.

With Rashee not coming back until next October maybe, yeah, you need someone to fill the go-to guy role underneath.

Really think Hollywood probably runs it back as well. Feel horrible for the guy he pretty much lost a prime year. Is Juju gonna have any takers much over vet minimum?
Receiving core of Rice, Hopkins, Hollywood, Worthy, Juju. Yeah I'd like our chances.

Agreed. A LT or another WR would be a "bonus" right now. A cornerback is a real need. There were guys on the field Sunday that just didn't belong out there.

Here’s my thinking:

The Chiefs cap is gonna open up in 2026. Kelce will be off the books by then. I really do think Veach is gonna extend Thuney to a deal similar to Chris Jones that is a 3 year deal masked as a 5 year deal that frees money and is backloaded with a clean cut for when he hangs it up after 2026 or 2027. Don’t think Veach is letting both G’s walk in one offseason.
We aren’t paying shit to our WR room, even if Hopkins stays on a nice fair deal (why wouldn’t he if things go well?), the OL money is going to Jawaan and Creed for the foreseeable future.

I think they can get backloaded deals for Bolton (yes I’m 100% confident he’s staying) and McDuffie next Spring to have the big cap hits hit the books in 2027 and beyond when Thuney, Kelce and Chris are all gone.

I think they could absolutely float Omenihu’s deal to Uche if he has success here. Maybe that works? Maybe not. But it’s worth a try.

Uche is only 26 though. I really wouldn’t mind doing what we can to keep him bc I think he’s a proven type we haven’t had in the Spags era and is worth paying should he show out under us (I think he absolutely will).

That would also free up some shit for us. Watson would be in his last year next year and will likely be priced out (God I love that kid) as well as Trey.

Assuming you keep Bolton, Hopkins and Uche, you’ve got an ideal fit at RG with Wanya, Kingsley heat his shot at LT and you can use your draft picks on a Corner and BPA early and a RB from this awesome class and more OL with your 3rd rd picks.

We are set up so nicely

Matt Derrick reporting the Chiefs have only around $300k in cap space and if that's true, definitely no trade coming too soon...

Yup and I’m bringing back Juju on a minimal deal like this year. I get the guy has injury problems but having him as WR5 over a guy like Skyy is invaluable. He was a game changer vs the Saints.

Patrick trusts him too. Didn’t mean you can’t keep drafting WR’s every year but Juju is great cheap insurance in case injuries like this year occur again.

Unless they redo another players contract.

How'd they move $5 million from Taylor's deal, add $900k from Uche and still have less than 500k in cap space?

What math am I missing here?

They had 4+ million before the last trade and he accounted for I think 1.3 million. That math seems off but I might be wrong.

It seems impossibly low to me too and yet comes from the most legitimate source, one would think.

He’s probably just factoring in Lattimore but forgetting the trade hasn’t been announced yet.

Not really.

Derrick has made some pretty shitty miscalculations in the past trying to discuss the cap. He was among the worst offenders in the "We get Frank Clark for Free" debacle when he was just flat-ass misstating how all the numbers would work.

And I get that sometimes the publicly available numbers are iffy. But ultimately the league wouldn't have allowed us to make the Hopkins deal if it put us over the cap. So we know that AT WORST, when the Hopkins deal was completed we were at zero.

And the Taylor restructure came after that. Which would've put us at least as much over as he moved off through base salary. We don't know what that was, but the reports have all been in the $5 million range.

I mean just doing simple dollar in, dollar out, zero-based sort of math here suggests we HAVE to have more than that, no? Unless there's been some other internal cap finagling we don't know about. Or someone is treating NLTBE incentives as LTBE and accruing them on the cap this season.

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Well no I don't mean Derrick, but I checked the NFLPA report and it does say just $255k. But in no way does that make any damn sense to me.

I figure they haven't calculated Jawaan's deal in or something. You can't get through the season at $255k.

Spotrac's math looks about perfect to me.

They have us at $4 million. That includes Taylor's restructure to move his base this year to $12.875 which didn't free up $5 million but instead looks to have freed up almost exactly $4 million.

It also includes Dhop and Uche's money on there.

I really feel like the NFLPA chart must not include Taylor's restructure.

I mean look at it this way -- the unadjusted team cap is $255.4 million. We carried over roughly $1.6 million, giving us an adjusted cap of $257 million.

We have, per the NFLPA report, a cap number of $252.8 million. That SHOULD be right at the $4 million on Spotrac.

There's something there that just doesn't make any sense.

I don't believe it. Nothing about it adds up.

Even the NFLPA report lacks internal consistency (as per my previous post).

There's something here that isn't working right.

Look at the Dolphins on that report, for example.

Virtually the same exact carryover as we have ($1.14 million) and a nearly identical cap carry figure ($251.4 million) so a little less carry over and a little less on their actual cap, but mostly that all washes out.

And the Dolphins, per the NFLPA report, have $5.3 million in cap space.

Something there simply isn't right.

Maybe the Hopkins money hasn't been updated? I see that multiple sites have his cap hit different. So maybe that $2.5M that Titans took on hasn't shown up yet?

Spotrac and OverTheCap both have us at about $2.5m in Cap Space.

That’s enough to make anther interesting move IMO.

According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, the Chiefs are "monitoring" the trade market for cornerbacks ahead of the Nov. 5 NFL trade deadline in the wake of losing starting corner Jaylen Watson to a broken tibia and fibula.

Albert Breer on the Eisen show saying he thinks Veach might try to bolster the offense. But it's just him speculating, not any inside info.

For some reason, it won't allow the tweet to be embedded.

https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/st...98744305291406

IDK where we’re gonna find the room for his contract, also the Saints are having a pretty good run this season, probably more like Tre White from the Rams IMO.

If this is sarcasm and I missed it, my apologies. But are we talking about the same Saints team?

Dat Boye-Doe

Have we signed this piece of shit yet??

I like how Rich is still salty that Hardman caught the walk off Super Bowl TD pass by saying he thinks Mike Williams has SB TD potential written all over him, haha.

I empathize with Eisen so hard from my years of being a Chiefs fan through the 90's and 2000's, lol.

:LOL: "Don't forget to tip your servers everyone. I'll be here until Sunday...."


Saints: 2 - 6 ... 6 losses in a row... Under $4M? Pocket change. Next year, diff story. Hamstring? Let him sit for a week if he passes a physical. Have him at 100% when you play him. Would be a huge win for the Chiefs. Even for a VERY late 2nd.

here ya go
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">💻 <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AlbertBreer</a> <br><br>Are the two-time defending champs done making moves ahead of next week&#39;s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> Trade Deadline?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/ewZwUYp8mk">pic.twitter.com/ewZwUYp8mk</a></p>&mdash; Rich Eisen Show (@RichEisenShow) <a href="https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/status/1851698744305291406?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Saints? The 2-6 Saints?

LT vs WR vs CB... :hmmm:

Jaylon Jones?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How well CBs have prevented separation all routes as well as their grade on the ball. Grading scale ranges from -2 to +2 <a href="https://t.co/HQ3lePJZ27">pic.twitter.com/HQ3lePJZ27</a></p>&mdash; Jrfortgang (@throwthedamball) <a href="https://twitter.com/throwthedamball/status/1851821404028551274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damn Nazeeh’s struggles showing in that chart. I still have hope for him but I think the ACL recovery is taking its time.

Need to go get a CB for now.

The drop off from Watson to Nazeeh makes me very sad

Fortunately Williams will be forced to play Monday. He is our best bet unless they do trade for someone.

Is Watson done for the year?

I think a big reason for why our defense is so great is the stability and continuity. Top to bottom, everyone knows their role inside and out. They know the scheme, their responsibilities, and they do 'em.

That's what happens when you string together six years of the same scheme and coaching and it's why they'll be good even with the current CB room. It's gonna take a sharp minded CB to come in and get the scheme down on the fly. No blown coverages from misunderstandings. Not impossible but something to think about.

Spags being as good as he is and not getting poached and/or promoted to HC somewhere else is a literal cheat code. Brain Drain is supposed to be a big part of rebalancing the good teams back to average/mediocre teams, but we kinda side step that.

We should all be thankful he was such a bad head coach.

And he’s pretty old. It seems there is pretty strong preference to hire coaches below age 55 around the league. Hell, many of the head coaches lately seem to be younger than 45.

Yeah, always both comforting and concerning when something like that matches the eye test like it does.

Comforting in that I'm not crazy. Concerning in that I'm not wrong and we may have a real problem on our hands at CB2.

He's my faint hope.

He showed out so well at times last year that we may just have to deal with the inconsistency and hope he finds his form or at least doesn't suck when it matters most.

There's ability there. And the tools match our scheme so well. But CBs are like goalies in hockey - they're just erratic as hell unless they're elite and when they get in their own heads that they're struggling, they're going to continue to struggle.

One really strong game may be all it takes to get Williams back on track. And against a battered WR corps, this may be a good time for exactly that. I'd lean pretty heavily into Williams and get a baseline for how bad our need truly is as the deadline approaches.

Because I really don't think Johnson is the answer. I've never quite understood the fascination with him.

Ultimately we may just end up needing Connor to step up somehow and put Hicks in at the 3rd safety. That's vaguely terrifying, but I do think Connor has the tools to play the position.

Probably. Sucks for Watson because he was a 7th round pick playing his way into a good contract somewhere.

Obviously hurts the team because if we play the Ravens or Lions down the road, CB depth will be a major factor to cover their multiple weapons.

Williams has not been good. Nazeeh has struggled too. Roland-Wallace has been in the right place but is still not turning his head at times.

I think we need to get a corner badly. Doesn’t mean it’s an expensive move, but this is a real problem that I think could potential end our season.

That’s how bad it is right now and Spags/Merrit are masking it, but I think it will show up against good teams with good QB’s

Well, they get to see a good QB on Monday night. He might be without his top two weapons but if our CB is that bad, he will exploit it.

Get the DL really going and you can mask it a bit. But yeah, you probably need a CB.

Is there much left on the trade block that could help us?

Do we have the ability to absorb a contract with our cap space?

I think you have to operate as though he is.

I don't think his injury is actually a ton worse in terms of recovery time than Cook's was last season. And it took place, what, 6 weeks sooner? I think there's a non-zero chance he could come back for the post-season.

But you can't bank on it. Ankle injuries are bizarre animals and very dependent on the individual. Because I don't think this is actually a bone issue - the fracture will be healed by the end of the regular season. I think it's a ligament issue. Part of that ankle fracture would almost certainly have been a hellacious high ankle sprain and THAT'S where your real unknowns are found.

There's always someone.

I mean I mentioned Mike Jackson from Carolina a couple weeks back. I think he'd be damn near free to acquire and he's a cheap veteran who has been a pretty credible player for quite awhile.

He could absolutely help, IMO.

And there are a dozen guys out there just like him. Get a list of 6-8 guys and start making calls. First guy that says yes to a 7th gets the deal made.

You'll get someone to bite.

Even if Watson could come back, for him to be a savior when he probably won't run until New Year's means we are ****ed anyways.

It's weird how the NFL will treat certain coaches as "damaged goods" because of a bad stint somewhere. Oh well, more for us.

They have some pretty cool cardio stuff for guys with leg injuries. He can keep his cardio up.

But the stamina in his legs is a different matter. He can probably be on the low impact stuff like the cycles in December (usually once you're off crutches), but yeah - it's not ideal to be banking on him being in football shape come January.

Watson was playing like a top 10 corner, Rashee a top 5 to 10 WR. MASSIVE losses and feel bad for young, developing talent.

Agreed, and they also prefer offensive minded HCs....but if Spags told his agent to put out the word that he wanted one more shot, surely a few of : LV, NYG, Dalla, JAX, or Carolina would call with blue-steel boners

I think that was the thought with trading for Uche. The DL was not getting to Purdy very often in the SB, especially from the edge, so they put Sneed and McDuffie on islands and blitzed the shit out of Purdy. A lot of that was bc Ominhu was out for that game and Karlaftis was getting stonewalled by Trent Williams.

With Watson out that plan becomes a bit harder, but with Uche providing him his Osi Umenyiora type speed rusher that could change a lot.

Spags could run the NYG defense only rushing 4 and having more bodies back to help cover.

I think this is the biggest issue. Teams are typically gravitating towards offensive minded HCs.

And if you're going for a defense guy, you're gonna focus on a younger one, IMO.

Now what I would do if I were a team like NYG or Carolina who might struggle to get 'pick of the litter' among HC candidates, is that I'd talk to a HC like Spags who may have a 3-5 year shelf life AND hire some young hot-shit QB coach or Offensive Assistant as my OC.

And the pitch is a simple one - this guy's gonna get the defense figure out and you're gonna have the keys to the offense. If this works, you're going to get a TON of credit (see Ben Johnson) and you're either in the driver's seat to take Spags job if/when he hangs 'em up or you're going to be a really attractive candidate elsewhere.

I think focusing exclusively on an offensive HC might be a little short-sighted in some circumstances.

They've also been here long enough to see the results and buy into that system, so that has to help too.

After consideration I am 100 percent convinced that Bard Veusch is completely out




















On not competing for Superbowls!
LFG!!!

That's a sound, common sense approach...which mean we are safe from poaching by Carolina, both NY teams, Cleveland, and Dallas!

Gonna be a busy Monday. Might see if an opportunity for a corner is on any of those teams.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Several AFC teams have paused trade talks to see where they stand after Sunday’s games. With so many 2-win teams in the AFC, some aren’t ready to give up on their seasons or trade players at a discount. Sunday’s results will likely tip the scale one way or another before… <a href="https://t.co/np8Jchgx3f">pic.twitter.com/np8Jchgx3f</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Schultz (@Schultz_Report) <a href="https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1852398590074990978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:hmmm:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> DC Steve Spagnuolo on defensive trades: &quot;Brett (Veach) is great in that he&#39;s so collaborative. He&#39;s always bouncing things off of me. (Joshua Uche) was not the only name that he came in (and mentioned).&quot; <br><br>👀👀👀</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1852398504926208356?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

But who would we want to trade with that we haven't already pilfered from?

Saints?
Browns?

Lattimore on the Saints

Not that I believe that it would ever happen, but a good landing spot for Spags might be TB. I think Bowles is on the hot seat and they already have a really good OC and offense. Justneed to fix that defense, and who’s been better at that than Spags?

But I think because of the current trend of hiring young OCs, Coen will get the job.

I saw Charlie Weiss at a Best Buy in OP. Asked him who the Chiefs were pursuing at the trade deadline.

Winked at me and said “QB”.

You told me it was IHOP in Lenexa the other day.