Anyone out there still going to try and tell me this was a “depth” signing?

Dude is starting the second he walks in the door.

Upgrade the LT position significantly and we will start winning games on offense. Especially with Hollywood Brown and Pacheco returning.

Hope to see him on the Black Friday game vs the Raidahs...

hoping this guy is our starter by the playoffs

He absolutely has to be.

Morris obviously isn't playing well, but Taylor and Smith also sucked ass today.

The OL needs help.

Is Trey hurt or something? He seems to be struggling more than usual this year.

Dilphag thinks that

:grovel:

I think he has regressed some but

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That’s not true. We were pretty good in my time. They’ve been a much bigger issue the last two years because Jawaan uses the same pass set every time where he sets super deep and allows the DE to get inside pressure. Until he changes it there’s nothing that will improve. <a href="https://t.co/3FrXXiosO1">https://t.co/3FrXXiosO1</a></p>&mdash; Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1860792303197303175?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Taylor lining up so deep does Trey absolutely no favors and forces him to play outside rushes differently than he would would another tackle next to him. Teams are going to keep blitzing that gap since Taylor doesn't seem to want to change anything

Are you battling the 2 people who thought this?

Was going to post this

Very interesting insight. Jawaan's deep kick plus being able to time it since everyone knows he's going to do it likely puts Trey on more of an island blocking crossers

So Humphries won't play Friday but probably the following week?

Taylor is being a flaming AIDS tree?

I think the three interior linemen are struggling to to cover the gaps from our two shitty tackles.

Especially true for offensive lineman, I'd think, as they have to anchor and pivot.

That makes sense then. Thank you.

We're the Chiefs just running 52 on the roster prior to his signing? I can't find anything where any was released or put on IR to make room for Humphries

Speaking of that. Pacheco and Omenehu have to be activated within the next week. What are the corresponding roster moves? Should be CEH that goes. He hasn't been active yet this year. If not him, then it has to be Steele. CEH seems more likely. For Omenehu, I would guess Tuipulotau but I guess that it could be Cam Thomas. I don't think that either of them are getting any playing time anyway.

Pretty sure we've been at 52 for two weeks

Man that is annoying AF that Taylor is too selfish about his own performance to help Smith out with routine fundamental things.

Can we stop with this? Trey has played poorly period. He’s been playing with Jawaan for 2 years now so this isn’t new to him.

He got his ass torched by Vita Vea, Ed Oliver, Zach Allen and some no name from the Panthers that I don’t care to look up.

He’s playing poorly end of story. He’s getting beaten 1v1. Stop making excuses. Tbh I’ve about had it with the guy. Andy has a history of drafting competent RG play. I don’t seen how Wanya playing RG could be any worse than this.

The money for Trey is just not worth it to me. He struggles in pass pro

They are saying Humphries will start against the Chargers, 12/8, his contract still isn't official and he needs to be evaluated by Chiefs medical first

I agree with Run here. Shouldn't be any different from last year, when Trey was fine.

Also, Schwartz always seems to be particularly harsh when it comes to the OTs. To the point that it makes me think there's a bias/hater thing going on.

I still say they bring in Donovan Smith, the LT/RT insurance wouldn't hurt, he probably can be had for cheap at this point

Ok, just watched the full condensed game and focused on Wanya Morris. He actually had a decent game. 2 pressures and 1 sack. You may be able to say 3 pressures, but I need someone else to look at it.

1st Quarter - gave up 0 pressures
2nd Quarter - 1 pressure at 9:20 and 1 sack at 1:55
3rd Quarter - 1 pressure at 3:55
4th Quarter - Maybe a pressure at 3:33, his man got around him just enough to get Mahomes to step up, but the main culprits were Smith and Taylor. They got destroyed and killed any chance of a pocket.

Hell id figure out a way to keep Morris and Humphries in the game and get Taylor out of there. He got wrecked by Clowney multiple times.

Lining up deep suggests that a tackle is not confident in his ability to block the guy standing across from him...

Don’t care. You know who has had to deal with the most adjustments and turnover of any player on the entire team? Joe Thuney

He’s had 3 LT’s in less than 2 years, one of which was a disaster, and yet he’s still doing his job at an elite level bc he’s awesome.

That's kinda what I figured. I would imagine that they are up on his medical since they've been monitoring his situation for a month or so. I don't think they would have signed him if they didn't think he was healthy enough to play. Hopefully they get the details worked out today and he can participate in practice this week.

I'm pretty sure it's all official, but they just haven't announced it. Also there is no way he hasn't already passed a physical.

Each week in other games that I don't care that much about, I see tackles so deep I wonder why they don't get flagged for illegal formation. So are their guards just better at handling that or they have the same issues?

I read somewhere that he just arrived in KC yesterday….

You're making Schwartz's point for him. it's that Taylor lines up the same way, with the same timing, on every play. That consistency is what is being picked apart according to him. It makes sense, to be fair.

It was the same with Orlando Brown. Once teams realized that he simply could not handle outside speed, he was cooked.

You can get beat. You can't get beat the exact same way every time.

That doesn't mean Smith doesn't struggle anyway, though. A pilot once told me that catastrophe never happens because of one big bad decision. It is a chain of small bad decisions. All one has to do to prevent catastrophe is break the chain.

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I don't know about you but I saw him at Radio Shak

There's games where it just seems like the Chiefs can't get any pressure.

I dunno that I remember the last time I felt like our OL did that to someone.

If Taylor lines up the same way every time, why didnt Smith struggle last year? Or this season up until about a month ago?

**** that, Smith doesn't get to use Taylor as a scapegoat. Dude want to get paid. Earn it.

He thinks a lot of shit

It feels like that's been the case the majority of Mahomes' career so far. Struggling to protect him while the opposing QBs stand in the pocket for days.

Not to mention rarely having an above average running game or decent run defense, and only a few years of good WR play.

It's amazing that they've won as much as they have.

I heard him pooping at Kohls today. The shock of good BBQ might have set him back with being prepared for the Faiders.

Maybe not a terrible game overall, but he got obliterated at least twice in key moments. Like he wasn't even standing there.

I said I don't know if he is or not. Andy doesn't make big changes to the OL, but this dude probably wouldn't have signed here if he didn't have some assurances.

I said they wouldn't sign him, but so did DJLN and he said it because of the same reason I said it.

Your logic was not flawed going by Andy’s previous trends. Luckily, it seems all involved understand the scope of this situation. We are going for history here, and comfort zones are out the window.

You have a Pro Bowl LT sitting around in free agency in November who wants to play for you, then you goddamn sign him. Glad they did the right thing, would have been easy for them to just roll with the guys we have. It’s not like we’re sitting here at 7-4 and fighting for our playoff lives. We’re the damn #1 seed and they’re still out here improving.

Just an amazing organization to be a fan of at this point in time. They do everything right.

LMAO

Post of the year

Those are very nice bathrooms to poop in! He has good taste.

The first pressure was on first down and the play was a screen that his guy got to Mahomes, but didn't cause any disruption. The play wasn't going anywhere if he picked up his block. Also it's a screen and usually they don't put up much fight to block.

The sack came on 1st down around midfield and they still scored a TD.

The second pressure was actually at 4:30 left in the 3rd and it was on third down. Patrick couldn't step up again because Trey Smith and Jawaan Taylor couldn't keep Clowney out of the back field even with a double team. Hell that's an iffy pressure too because if they can hold up, then Morris pushes his guy around the back of Mahomes. Mahomes was half a yard short in the play and they picked it up on 4th and short. They then scored.

The only play that he was absolutely obliterated was the one where he gave up the sack.

I'm not sure what you are talking about.

One of them gets paid 20m, I'm less annoyed by the one that doesn't.

Trey's had a couple of ugly games but outside of that, including against the Panthers, I don't think he's been bad at all. Not great, not bad. Morris has been at best a notch below, at worst terrible. Taylor, we're paying him a boatload and he's still gifting penalties.

Not saying Trey is playing his best football but jeez the OTs, I don't know how they're not the bigger issue.

I mean that's also a comment on our DL

Whether or not to resign Trey might be the single biggest question this coming off-season. He's playing like shit right now. There's nothing to be done about Taylor. His contract is what is. Outside of the penalties, he has been decent until these last few game. Which is coincidentally right when Smith started playing bad.

I'm not saying anything about the tackles at this point, they're a known quantity for better or worse. Trey Smith is supposed to be better than this and if he wants to stay with this team, he's going to have to play A LOT better.

Jesus Christ, I feel like most of you don't go back and watch the games at all. Wanya Morris has actually been decent over the last few weeks. Quit basing your opinion on what others are saying or what you think you saw live during the game.

Wanya Morris has been more than competent at LT. If he keeps up this, then he can be our LTOTF.

Ive never seen stunts work better than what they are working against that right side. Smith cannot figure it out. It's weird.

Mahomes' footwork on 3rd and long says otherwise and yesterday, his actions were warranted.

Anything 3rd-and-8+, sure feels like Wanya is getting whooped to the edge. It's killing Mahomes' mechanics on those plays. He gets instant happy feet.

He's not getting whooped on the edge. He pushes his guy around Mahomes or stops them. Mahomes is either bailing for no reason or bailing because there is pressure/looks like there is pressure.

Mahomes footwork is on him. Go read Seth Keysor's article from last week.

The Chiefs staff watch a lot more video than you do, there is a reason they are trying to sign DJ Humphries

We all watch the games, but we disagree, pretty standard. Some think the issue is Trey, probably a few more that it's the OTs and particularly Morris. Maybe it's a bit of column A and B. I just think it's more column B.

Tbh I think it's highly unlikely Morris is LTOTF and it looks like the Chiefs agree that LT is a bigger problem. I reckon Morris has had a few OK games, but not enough

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No doubt this is part of the problem as well

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s been an issue the whole time. But more recently teams have begun using that as a rush package weapon the way they weren’t attacking it before.</p>&mdash; Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1861142365810913391?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I watch the games, but I am too tuned into watching the ball that I don't pay all that much attention to other things and so I've been watching the condensed version for lineman play and when I do this things look a lot different from what I remember watching live.

Seriously go watch the game on the NFL app and tell me that Wanya Morris was bad.

When can we let Taylor walk without taking a big cap hit? Maybe sign Humphries for a few years as our LT and make Wanya the RT?

Uh, we just reworked his deal to clear up cap space.

For better or worse, he’s not going anywhere next year.

Looks like 2026

Doh

Maxx Crosby is fapping to dehydration after watching the shitshow this o line put on display at Carolina.

Eh dude's already bought his backstage passes to whatever Kid Rock/Juggalo fest thats going on during the playoffs

You let Trey walk and move Wanya inside to RG. Sign Humphries at LT to a 3 yr deal and let's go.

I don’t know what you watched Sunday and I don’t need to read shit when I have eyes

Yeah I just don't know we were watching the same game man.

Wanya got his ass kicked on every 3rd-and-long in the second half.

Could be Wanya, but we're not short of guard options... Kingsley, Nourzad, Caliendo are all in the mix

Maybe all of the work he's getting now turns Morris into a decent swing tackle

At some point there are some serious questions to be asked. Like..why is the OL less than it's parts. In no way shape or form should that OL look that way when you factor in the players.

Are the players underperforming? Is the scheme not suited for their strengths? Is the coaching bad?

We have a very highly thought of and paid LG, the highest paid center, a RG that is well thought of and a RT that was well thought of before he got here. That is a lot more than so many QBs are working with on the OL.

Then comes this question..when Mahomes hits the top of his drop and doesn't fire, is that because the receivers are a problem and aren't getting open in time..or is Mahomes averse to throwing to guys without clear separation.

These problems are honestly probably all amplifying the other...and don't even get me started on the WR snap counts.

Seems like Mahomes has always preferred throwing to guys with some separation

Yeah he'll make exceptions for Kelce, DHop and others at times, but he prefers a little room for error IMO

Jacksonville did not like Taylor enough to spend $20M per year on him. Chiefs might have been better off with Andrew Wiley at $8M per year and use the other $12M to help other aspects of the team, such as CB/DL/LB or LT.

We'll never score 30 points again ROFL

Taylor was literally the top OT FA that year he was getting paid.

You need your eyes checked.

Morris gave up 4 pressures, 2 hurries, a QB hit and a sack against Carolina.

He’s terrible and Andy will need to give him a lot of help to prevent Maxx from wrecking shit.

Definitely a combination. Many things can be true, Mahomes, Trey, WRs not called Hopkins, and most definitely the OTs being ass.

Even with that I think it'll come good as soon as LT becomes average.

And Jacksonville did not believe he was worth the money. Sure looks like they were correct.

I think some of it is as simple as the injuries destroyed the offense. Rice and Brown are really good separaters, Pacheco is explosive..taking all of them away and changing Worthy's role has had a pretty serious affect on the team.

Kelce was suppose to have space to work in with those guys..and it vanished without them.

The pressure from the edges is forcing mahomes into the pocket and making the guards look worse than they are.

Mahomes prefers to drift back which requires good edge play.

Guard / center play is very unimportant in modern nfl

Mahomes / Kelce are both making 100s of millions and have put on some weight

Having said that I think we’re a top 3 offense going into the playoffs if everything plays out with the returning players and left tackle being put in a starting role.

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I'm just impressed that Chief Fans made this happen. Well done!