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Prison Bitch 10-01-2018 12:48 PM

We will win 71. We should've won 66 by (fWAR) or 64 by (base runs). Always reverts. We lost a TON of games from our bullpen first half of the year. It was almost nightly. Our bullpen finished last in MLB and DM said during the broadcast our biggest "fix" next year was the pen. He should clear some of that up.


Second, we gave a whopping 1,911 (!!!!) PA of negative fWAR from: Alshittys, Duda, Cuthbert, Orlando, Goins, Dozier, Butera. Total and complete horseshit that no other team would dare Troy out there. Only Dozier is back, so that right there should add another 3 wins.


We will lose 2 wins front Whit and prob 1-2 from Keller. So 71 is the answe.

siberian khatru 10-01-2018 01:35 PM

Zo with the go-ahead hit in the 8th for the Blue Brew Crew

zigbazah 10-01-2018 03:02 PM

Pretty solid interview from Yed Nost.

https://youtu.be/jIVf5oaSi1I

Chris Meck 10-01-2018 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13778184)
We will win 71. We should've won 66 by (fWAR) or 64 by (base runs). Always reverts. We lost a TON of games from our bullpen first half of the year. It was almost nightly. Our bullpen finished last in MLB and DM said during the broadcast our biggest "fix" next year was the pen. He should clear some of that up.


Second, we gave a whopping 1,911 (!!!!) PA of negative fWAR from: Alshittys, Duda, Cuthbert, Orlando, Goins, Dozier, Butera. Total and complete horseshit that no other team would dare Troy out there. Only Dozier is back, so that right there should add another 3 wins.


We will lose 2 wins front Whit and prob 1-2 from Keller. So 71 is the answe.

except that 'Royals baseball' has always ('14 and '15 I mean) outperformed the projections. Meaning, loads of team speed and plus defense. After a couple of years of getting away from that, Moore went back to it the second half this year and the team looked a lot better even as young and inexperienced as they were. I think the AAA pitching staff has some better bullpen options (can't blame the team for not bringing them up this year as it was a lost cause) but if I squint just right I can see a .500 club.

Titty Meat 10-01-2018 07:41 PM

LoCain was the true leader of those great teams look at him continuing the trend in Milwaukee. Hosmer was just the frat douche who loved the attention. **** him.

KCUnited 10-01-2018 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13776449)
So did the Nationals all stars during their youth movement. For three seasons they had more talanrt on paper than we EVER did.

It didn’t matter. Under their leadership players were fistfighting in the dugout, not talking to each other on the team planes, and constantly fighting with management. Clubhouse issues are often cited in Oakland’s failure to win it all too - so much so that even Billy moneyball Beane cited team chemistry as a major focus during his current rebuild.

Even if you think the locker room stuff is overblown, I’d then point to the data that says that ultimately, managers either factor in +3 to -3 wins per year at most.

We just have a DUI, reports of Hos not getting along with guys, Moose talking openly about not having a desire to return, the Ibanez intervention...The Yost clubhouse thing has been overblown. If you want to give him the creds, you have to tax him some for the window closing so abruptly. His staff jumped ship. This is a .500 team regardless of who’s managing, so why not build new relationships? It’s not like we’re firing him.

Chiefspants 10-01-2018 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 13781496)
We just have a DUI, reports of Hos not getting along with guys, Moose talking openly about not having a desire to return, the Ibanez intervention...The Yost clubhouse thing has been overblown. If you want to give him the creds, you have to tax him some for the window closing so abruptly. His staff jumped ship. This is a .500 team regardless of who’s managing, so why not build new relationships? It’s not like we’re firing him.

If you can name one better manager we've had than Ned Yost since 1995 I'd be on board. Finding good managers isn't easy - it especially has not been easy in KC.

Outside of Ibanez, everything you've mentioned I'd argue is a product of Dayton Moore, not Ned.

As you said, we can agree to disagree. I just don't understand the negativity I've seen about bringing him back for 2019.

Discuss Thrower 10-01-2018 08:56 PM

Yost or Matheny. Take your ****ing pick.

KCUnited 10-01-2018 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13781835)
If you can name one better manager we've had than Ned Yost since 1995 I'd be on board. Finding good managers isn't easy - it especially has not been easy in KC.

Outside of Ibanez, everything you've mentioned I'd argue is a product of Dayton Moore, not Ned.

As you said, we can agree to disagree. I just don't understand the negativity I've seen about bringing him back for 2019.

Forgive my dates, but Buddy Bell, maybe even ****ing Tony Pena could've "oversaw" this youth movement, buffoon proof bullpen. Swap clubs and Terry Collins wins with KC and Yost tinkers to lose it for NY. You want to assign blame for any clubhouse issues on Moore but want to give Yost the credit for only having to stay conscious for 5 innings before nodding off. I'm obviously exaggerating but the point remains, we're not firing him, just turning the page. Do you think he'll be here for our next WS run? I understand he gets to punch his ticket, but it's small thinking on the part of KC, imo.

Chiefspants 10-01-2018 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 13782715)
Forgive my dates, but Buddy Bell, maybe even ****ing Tony Pena could've "oversaw" this youth movement, buffoon proof bullpen. Swap clubs and Terry Collins wins with KC and Yost tinkers to lose it for NY. You want to assign blame for any clubhouse issues on Moore but want to give Yost the credit for only having to stay conscious for 5 innings before nodding off. I'm obviously exaggerating but the point remains, we're not firing him, just turning the page. Do you think he'll be here for our next WS run? I understand he gets to punch his ticket, but it's small thinking on the part of KC, imo.

I could be talked into agreeing with everything UNTIL the Terry Collins comment. If we can compromise on this, it's that Ned ran marathons around Terry Collins in 2015 World Series. Let's look at the evidence.

Terry Collins got off to a great start by refusing to play his Gold Glove centerfielder and instead started Yoenis Cespedes, a renowned butcher in CF and who rarely played there in 2015. This immediately backfired, and gave us a run in a game that was ultimately decided by a single run. If Terry starts Lagares at Center and Ces in Left, the Mets take Game 1.

Ned, meanwhile, played Game 1 to perfection. Especially in his bullpen management.

Terry was not done, however. Collins went on to pitch Jeryus Familia in Game 3 with a 6 run lead. A decision that ultimately led to Familia pitching 3 games in a row. This gave our guys more exposure to Familia, which came in clutch later.

Ned had a chance to do this very thing in Game 2 - but opted to rest Wade and let Cueto finish out the game.

My favorite, however, was how Terry buckled to Matt Harvey and allowed him to go back into the game against his better judgment. Ned, contrary to popular belief, would never have done this. The proof? Game 5 of the ALDS. Cueto wanted to finish that game so badly and was seen on cameras asking Ned to come back in. This is the ace we "traded our farm" for, who was brought in to pitch complete games in the playoffs - and Ned said no, even with a 5 run lead.

Ned also deserves massive props for his management in Game 4 and 5 of the World Series. Ned was criticized often (by me, among others) for not going for the throat against the Giants in the 2014 World Series. He had a 3 run lead, bases loaded, but Jason Vargas was up to bat. Instead of pinch hitting Billy or Willingham, he went conservative. He could have put in Kelvin and gone for the throat, but he was thinking about Game 5 - a decision that ultimately may have cost us in 2015.

However - Ned learned from that mistake and was much more aggressive in 2015. Even though Chris Young was pitching a solid game, Ned pulled him after 4 to pinch hit him for Morales with only a runner on 1st. It didn't pan out, but Ned went for broke and immediately turned it over to a dominant pen. The pen was aces in Game 4, and instead of going into Game 5 locked in a 2-2 series, we went in with a 3-1 lead with three chances at taking the crown. I would also contend that Terry Collins would have never made that decision. Hell, in the same game he left out a young, tired arm (Matz) for two batters too long even though it was clear he was done after 5.

I will concede that Ned is not a great tactician and confess to being a major Ned apologist (I made a deal I'd buy his jersey if they won it all. I had trash talked him more than any other manager and made that penance if they won the World Series). However, Ned deserves major kudos for his management in that series, and ran circles around Terry from start to finish.

Titty Meat 10-01-2018 11:20 PM

Ned has been to 2 as and won the most games as any Royals manager FOH with everything else and give that man his respect

Discuss Thrower 10-02-2018 08:33 PM

Drew Butera just loaded the bases for the Cubbies with a catcher's interference.

Be Royal..

suzzer99 10-02-2018 08:34 PM

And had a passed ball before that.

suzzer99 10-02-2018 08:38 PM

Gonna be weird to see Davis to Butera to close this out.

tk13 10-02-2018 08:39 PM

That was a tough situation to put him in on the passed ball. Ottavino has a ridiculous slider and really spun it up there wide. Weird situation to bring a catcher in cold.

tk13 10-02-2018 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13785938)
Gonna be weird to see Davis to Butera to close this out.

Cubs still have Gore waiting in the wings too. There are Royals all over this playoff season.

Why Not? 10-02-2018 08:40 PM

So much for the dynasty of the Cubs. Their about to get shutout by a very weary Rockies team.

Why Not? 10-02-2018 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13785943)
Cubs still have Gore waiting in the wings too. There are Royals all over this playoff season.

They should’ve used him for Almora after his hit. Have him steal 2nd and 3rd.

tk13 10-02-2018 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 13785946)
They should’ve used him for Almora after his hit. Have him steal 2nd and 3rd.

There are plenty of Cubs fans on Twitter throwing a fit about it.

Discuss Thrower 10-02-2018 08:43 PM

And then he takes a leadoff walk!!

suzzer99 10-02-2018 08:43 PM

Butera works a walk.

tk13 10-02-2018 08:43 PM

All Butera does in the playoffs is walk.

Why Not? 10-02-2018 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13785952)
All Butera does in the playoffs is walk.

And only in the 8th inning.

SPchief 10-02-2018 08:48 PM

Drew Butera, speed machine

SPchief 10-02-2018 08:50 PM

Yeah, I don't know about that

Why Not? 10-02-2018 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 13785967)
Yeah, I don't know about that

Doesn’t matter. Cubs aren’t gonna score. Took the month off, got caught by the Brewers and are basically gonna get 2 game swept out of the playoffs while scoring one run at home.

Discuss Thrower 10-02-2018 08:56 PM

Hos love to get get Rizz on their faces.

Discuss Thrower 10-02-2018 08:57 PM

Terrence Gore sighting. His wife is hot.

SPchief 10-02-2018 08:57 PM

Gore alert

Why Not? 10-02-2018 08:58 PM

This is the right move. He needs to steal 2 bases and try to ghost Ottavino into a WP

Discuss Thrower 10-02-2018 08:59 PM

Ohhhhhhhh shiiitttt

SPchief 10-02-2018 08:59 PM

And there it is

suzzer99 10-02-2018 08:59 PM

Lol Butera not even bothering to try to throw Gore out.

Isn't that Gore's first successful steal in the postseason?

siberian khatru 10-02-2018 08:59 PM

TIE GAME

mr. tegu 10-02-2018 08:59 PM

*** Official 2018 Royals Repository ***
 
Former Royals just everywhere in this postseason.

suzzer99 10-02-2018 09:00 PM

And now Wade coming in.

Why Not? 10-02-2018 09:01 PM

Huge hit by Baez. Didn’t think he had it in him w 2 strikes.

KChiefs1 10-02-2018 09:01 PM

Royals everywhere!

Why Not? 10-02-2018 09:01 PM

Why that pitch was anywhere near the strike zone, I’ll never know.

suzzer99 10-02-2018 09:02 PM

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carcosa 10-02-2018 09:04 PM

Remember that bullshit overturned Gore steal in the Astros game

WhawhaWhat 10-02-2018 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13785989)
Lol Butera not even bothering to try to throw Gore out.

Isn't that Gore's first successful steal in the postseason?

He stole a base in the 2014 Wild Card game.

ILChief 10-02-2018 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13785995)
Royals everywhere!

Gore, zobrist, butera, and Davis in this game. Cain and moose in the Brewers.

BWillie 10-02-2018 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13783595)
Ned has been to 2 as and won the most games as any Royals manager FOH with everything else and give that man his respect

Results oriented thinking - it's the worst. We went to the World Series twice - Ned Yost MUST be a good manager.

No, no he's not.

siberian khatru 10-02-2018 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 13786027)
Gore, zobrist, butera, and Davis in this game. Cain and moose in the Brewers.

Throw in Jeffress, Soria, Kratz and Pina, too.

BWillie 10-02-2018 09:24 PM

I hate the Cubs. That is all. Shut em down Wade Davis.

IowaHawkeyeChief 10-02-2018 09:28 PM

crazy to see all the players from previous WS playing on both teams...

Why Not? 10-02-2018 09:30 PM

Jesus the Cubs have some awful situational hitters.

siberian khatru 10-02-2018 09:31 PM

Jason Heyward, Mr. October

Chiefspants 10-02-2018 09:32 PM

Has Daniel Murphy had a recurring nightmare about Cyborg Wade since the World Series? Cause that at-bat looked like it.

tk13 10-02-2018 09:38 PM

I'm pretty sure Gore is going to have to hit next inning unless Maddon wants to burn the backup catcher and put him in the field.

KChiefs1 10-02-2018 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13786061)
I'm pretty sure Gore is going to have to hit next inning unless Maddon wants to burn the backup catcher and put him in the field.



K

Discuss Thrower 10-02-2018 09:58 PM

Matty V need to calm down.

tk13 10-02-2018 10:15 PM

First time I've seen a discussion over a hug during a baseball game.

Coach 10-02-2018 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13786106)
First time I've seen a discussion over a hug during a baseball game.

I think it's a demonstration on how you can legally sack a QB.

WhawhaWhat 10-02-2018 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13786085)
Matty V need to calm down.

The ESPN2 broadcast is a lot better.

jd1020 10-02-2018 10:24 PM

If the Cubs win this game I guess Anthony Rizzo pitches game 1.

Discuss Thrower 10-02-2018 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13786115)
The ESPN2 broadcast is a lot better.

Not saying he's bad but he made an out at 2B sound like it was the deciding moment preventing Earth from annihilation.

tk13 10-02-2018 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 13786118)
If the Cubs win this game I guess Anthony Rizzo pitches game 1.

I was about to say, they've literally used all 4 postseason starters in the last two days.

KChiefs1 10-02-2018 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 13786118)
If the Cubs win this game I guess Anthony Rizzo pitches game 1.



Brewers have to be loving this.

suzzer99 10-02-2018 10:30 PM

Lol Gore looked just like a ballboy catching a foul and chucking it into the stands.

jd1020 10-02-2018 10:30 PM

I mean Hendricks should still be fine for game 1 assuming the Cubs win it here, but this is just another example of Maddon taking his starter out too early when you have a bullpen that you can't trust.

Why Not? 10-02-2018 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13786124)
Brewers have to be loving this.

Oh yeah. Brewers definitely gonna be a tough out. Remind me a lot of the Royals WS teams and not just because LoCain and Moose.

Why Not? 10-02-2018 10:32 PM

Jason Heyward is the Chiefs defense of baseball players.

carcosa 10-02-2018 10:33 PM

Drew Butera and Terrance Gore taking meaningful at bats in a playoff game. What a country

mr. tegu 10-02-2018 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13786124)
Brewers have to be loving this.


I don’t understand why the series isn’t starting until Thursday though.

SPchief 10-02-2018 10:37 PM

You have to pitch around Bryant to get to Gore here

Coach 10-02-2018 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 13786140)
I don’t understand why the series isn’t starting until Thursday though.

Wednesday is a travel day.

mr. tegu 10-02-2018 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 13786144)
Wednesday is a travel day.


Chiefs playing yesterday on Monday night football has me thinking today was Monday.

jd1020 10-02-2018 10:40 PM

Exhibit A for why the Orioles are the only team score 1 or less runs in a game more times than the Cubs.

This team is situationally brain dead.

SPchief 10-02-2018 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13786133)
Drew Butera and Terrance Gore taking meaningful at bats in a playoff game. What a country

Butera has a couple of meaningful AB's in the playoffs before

SPchief 10-02-2018 10:41 PM

Gore has a chance at a walkoff gapper now

SPchief 10-02-2018 10:50 PM

oooohhh

suzzer99 10-02-2018 10:50 PM

Cubs gonna have another 108 year wait.

jd1020 10-02-2018 10:52 PM

Works for me. I have no interest in watching this offense for at least 3 more games.

Chili Davis should be the easiest firing of the offseason but there's likely 0 chance it happens considering how quickly Theo jizzed himself when the Red Sox fired him.

BWillie 10-02-2018 10:52 PM

Chicago Cubs - you have my permission to die.

Why Not? 10-02-2018 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13786158)
Cubs gonna have another 108 year wait.

Yep. Unless they pull some shit in the bottom half, it’ll be 22 home innings the last two nights=2 runs.

Why Not? 10-02-2018 10:54 PM

You can add De La Rosa to the ex Royals in this game list.

SPchief 10-02-2018 10:55 PM

A Gore gapper ties it

Why Not? 10-02-2018 10:57 PM

Kinda gonna be up to Gore(easily the worst offensive player in a lineup that includes Heyward)to get on to lead off. If he does, he can get to second by himself. If not, there’s no way Baez gets anything to hit and the guys behind him are JAGS and the Weekend at Bernie’s version of Daniel Murphy.


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