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Dunerdr 05-13-2021 11:55 AM

Apparently Nate Taylor reported that the Chiefs are very happy with where Baker is in his rehab.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 05-13-2021 11:57 AM

I still want Breeland back. I’d rather kick Ward to the curb after this season

MahomesMagic 05-13-2021 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 15670182)
I have to give MahomesMagic credit. Below is his post from February 8th, page 2 of a 315 page thread.



Talented Young Left Tackle - Traded for Orlando Brown.
Good Center - Drafted Creed Humphrey, signed Austin Blythe
Edge Rusher - Drafted Joshua Kaindoh, re-signed Taco Charlton (Maybe another free agent here would be good)
3 Down LB - Drafted Nick Bolton

Pretty Good!

Veach is a wizard. That was my shopping list and he just went and got it done.

I think we add a few more post June 1st when there will be some more vet cuts.

TEX 05-13-2021 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15672413)
I still want Breeland back. I’d rather kick Ward to the curb after this season

Me too. Maybe it will happen. Still plenty of time.

htismaqe 05-13-2021 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 15670182)
I have to give MahomesMagic credit. Below is his post from February 8th, page 2 of a 315 page thread.



Talented Young Left Tackle - Traded for Orlando Brown.
Good Center - Drafted Creed Humphrey, signed Austin Blythe
Edge Rusher - Drafted Joshua Kaindoh, re-signed Taco Charlton (Maybe another free agent here would be good)
3 Down LB - Drafted Nick Bolton

Pretty Good!

We're still really thin at edge rusher. Charlton is a broke dick and Kaindoh has an injury history as well.

htismaqe 05-13-2021 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15672413)
I still want Breeland back. I’d rather kick Ward to the curb after this season

It's all going to depend on Ward's price tag. Chances are he gets priced right out of our market, especially with the cap going up, but we'll see. No reason to let him walk if he's affordable.

Dunerdr 05-13-2021 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15672413)
I still want Breeland back. I’d rather kick Ward to the curb after this season

I'd like him back but hes not a long term replacement for Ward at his age IMO.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-13-2021 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15672431)
We're still really thin at edge rusher. Charlton is a broke dick and Kaindoh has an injury history as well.

Yeah that position has me most worried. I like Danna, I think he can be a quality rotational player who could even be best suited to play on early downs, as a starter. But things are way too thin there. We need a pass rush type guy cause if either Clark or Charlton go down, then what?

No one else is proven to be a quality edge rusher.

htismaqe 05-13-2021 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15672467)
Yeah that position has me most worried. I like Danna, I think he can be a quality rotational player who could even be best suited to play on early downs, as a starter. But things are way too thin there. We need a pass rush type guy cause if either Clark or Charlton go down, then what?

No one else is proven to be a quality edge rusher.

IF Charlton goes down?

;)

UChieffyBugger 05-13-2021 12:28 PM

They went after that san fran corner in fa and haven't added anyone of note since. Same thing with Ingram so i would be very surprised if we don't get a CB and DE before camp starts tbh.

duncan_idaho 05-13-2021 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15672431)
We're still really thin at edge rusher. Charlton is a broke dick and Kaindoh has an injury history as well.

That's why the Justin Houston reunion tour will/needs to happen.

Clark/Jones/Reed/Houston on pass downs.

:Pinky:

Come home, Justin. Face nothing but single coverage and generally be regarded as the third or fourth most dangerous member of the unit.

Ingram and Kerrigan would be OK, too. But Houston has enough left in the tank, IMO, for that to be a really elite unit.

TEX 05-13-2021 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15672492)
They went after that san fran corner in fa and haven't added anyone of note since. Same thing with Ingram so i would be very surprised if we don't get a CB and DE before camp starts tbh.

Breeland and Ingram, come on down!

Pitt Gorilla 05-13-2021 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15672518)
That's why the Justin Houston reunion tour will/needs to happen.

Clark/Jones/Reed/Houston on pass downs.

:Pinky:

Come home, Justin. Face nothing but single coverage and generally be regarded as the third or fourth most dangerous member of the unit.

Ingram and Kerrigan would be OK, too. But Houston has enough left in the tank, IMO, for that to be a really elite unit.

I'm in. Think Houston would be nice opposite Clark.

Dunerdr 05-13-2021 01:26 PM

I dont remember any CB smoke except the nickel guy from San Fran and no Edge except Ingram. It makes me think theyre fine with what they have unless the deal is right or its a player they covet.

Hoover 05-13-2021 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15672559)
I'm in. Think Houston would be nice opposite Clark.

At this point I'd take whomever

Ingram, Kerrigan, Houston. I don't care.

Skyy God 05-13-2021 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15672434)
It's all going to depend on Ward's price tag. Chances are he gets priced right out of our market, especially with the cap going up, but we'll see. No reason to let him walk if he's affordable.

0% chance we re-sign Ward.

Another team will overpay.

htismaqe 05-13-2021 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 15672894)
0% chance we re-sign Ward.

Another team will overpay.

Oh, I think some team will overpay. I wouldn't say 0% but it's not very likely he's back.

Skyy God 05-13-2021 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15672899)
Oh, I think some team will overpay. I wouldn't say 0% but it's not very likely he's back.

I guess he could suck and come back on vet minimum.

Bob Dole 05-13-2021 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15672619)
At this point I'd take whomever

Ingram, Kerrigan, Houston. I don't care.

Malik Herring is here for you.

bobhill 05-13-2021 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15672467)
Yeah that position has me most worried. I like Danna, I think he can be a quality rotational player who could even be best suited to play on early downs, as a starter. But things are way too thin there. We need a pass rush type guy cause if either Clark or Charlton go down, then what?

No one else is proven to be a quality edge rusher.

They just sight a pass rusher , some guy named Tamba

BossChief 05-13-2021 06:54 PM

Houston only cares about the highest game check.

He’s not coming here.

Tribal Warfare 05-13-2021 06:56 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After a busy Thursday - signing its six drafted rookies, eight undrafted free agent rookies and trading for Mike Hughes - we now estimate the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>&#39; salary cap space to be $8.1 million.<a href="https://t.co/H80gt3AHkT">https://t.co/H80gt3AHkT</a></p>&mdash; John Dixon (@Arrowheadphones) <a href="https://twitter.com/Arrowheadphones/status/1393000191658233859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 05-13-2021 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15673253)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After a busy Thursday - signing its six drafted rookies, eight undrafted free agent rookies and trading for Mike Hughes - we now estimate the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>&#39; salary cap space to be $8.1 million.<a href="https://t.co/H80gt3AHkT">https://t.co/H80gt3AHkT</a></p>&mdash; John Dixon (@Arrowheadphones) <a href="https://twitter.com/Arrowheadphones/status/1393000191658233859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Honey Badger extension will get some more cap too! I’d try and re sign Breeland or a DE

-King- 05-13-2021 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15673248)
Houston only cares about the highest game check.

He’s not coming here.

How do you know he only cares about that and how do you know we won't offer that?

TEX 05-13-2021 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15673271)
Honey Badger extension will get some more cap too! I’d try and re sign Breeland or a DE

Both.

TEX 05-13-2021 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15673291)
How do you know he only cares about that and how do you know we won't offer that?

Because he has common sense. You should try it sometimes. Will change your life!

Bob Dole 05-14-2021 07:56 AM

Keep ****ing doubting Malik Herring.

Wilson8 05-15-2021 04:41 PM

The Chiefs have Frank Clark, Michael Danna, Taco Charlton, Joshua Kaindoh, Tim Ward, Demone Harris, and Austin Edwards as our DEs. We also have Georgia/UDFA Malik Herring who is recovering from an injury.

One of the best ways to help the secondary, is to have a good pass rush and I don't believe we have the players currently to do that.

smithandrew051 05-15-2021 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 15673666)
Keep ****ing doubting Malik Herring.

Gladly

Wilson8 05-15-2021 04:45 PM

There are several free agents or potential free agents that might be able to help.

Melvin Ingram - South Carolina/Chargers, Age 32, HT 6-2, WT 247, Arms 31 ½”
2020 stats – 7 games, 10 tackles, 0 sacks, 2 PD||2019 – 13 games, 48 tackles, 7 sacks, 5 PD

Justin Houston - Georgia/Chiefs/Colts, Age 32, HT 6-3, WT 270, Arms 34 ½”
2020 – 16 games, 25 tackles, 8 sacks, 1 FF||2019 – 16 games, 44 tackles, 11 sacks, 2 FF

Jerry Hughes – TCU/Colts/Bills, Age 33, HT 6-2, WT 254, Arms 33”
2020 stats – 15 games, 29 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 3 PD, 2 FF||2019 – 16 games, 23 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 3 PD
Could save Bills $6,350,000 by cutting. Also drafted Gregory Rousseau (30) and Carlos Basham Jr (61) with first two draft picks.

Alex Okafor - Texas/Cardinals/Saints/Chiefs, Age 30, HT 6-4, WT 261, Arms 34”
2020 stats – 11 games, 16 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 FF||2019 – 10 games, 22 tackles, 5 sacks, 5 PD, 1 FF

Ryan Kerrigan - Purdue/Washington, Age 33, HT 6-4, WT 265, Arms 33 3/8”
2020 stats – 16 games, 17 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 1 PD||2019 – 16 games, 25 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 1 PD, 1 FF

Adrian Clayborn - Iowa/Buccaneers/Falcons/Patriots/Browns, Age 33, HT 6-3, WT 280, Arms 32 ½”
2020 stats – 15 games, 12 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 PD, 1 FF||2019 – 15 games, 18 tackles, 4 sacks, 2 FF

John Simon – Ohio St/Ravens/Texans/Colts/Patriots, Age 30, HT 6-2, WT 260, Arms 33 ¼”
2020 stats – 16 games, 53 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 PD||2019 – 16 games, 44 tackles, 4 sacks, 4 PD, 1 FF

Olivier Vernon – Miami U/Dolphins/Giants/Browns, Age 30, HT 6-2, WT 262, Arms 33”
2020 stats – 14 games, 36 tackles, 9 sacks, 3 PD, 1 FF||2019 – 10 games, 26 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 FF
Tore Achilles week 17, of 2020 season.

Pernell McPhee – Mississippi St/Ravens/Bears/Redskins/Ravens, Age 32, HT 6-2, WT 265, Arms 34 1/4”
2020 stats – 15 games, 34 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 PD||2019 – 7 games, 19 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 PD

Wilson8 05-15-2021 04:48 PM

Maybe one of these two might be our 5th DE -

Tim Ward – Old Dominion/Chiefs, Age 23, HT 6-6, WT 255, Arms 34 ½”
2020 stats – 1 game, 5 tackles, 1 sack||2019 – 0 games

Kamalei Correa – Boise St/Ravens/Titans/Jaguars/Chiefs, Age 27, HT 6-3, WT 250, 31 ½”
2020 stats – 9 games, 9 tackles, 1 PD||2019 – 16 games, 37 tackles, 5 sacks, 2 PD

But that's still not very good and it certainly won't scare an offense.

staylor26 05-15-2021 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 15675316)
The Chiefs have Frank Clark, Michael Danna, Taco Charlton, Joshua Kaindoh, Tim Ward, Demone Harris, and Austin Edwards as our DEs. We also have Georgia/UDFA Malik Herring who is recovering from an injury.

One of the best ways to help the secondary, is to have a good pass rush and I don't believe we have the players currently to do that.

Everybody keeps saying this. Pass rush isn’t exclusive to edge rushers.

We now have the best interior pass rush duo in the league. Who else has 2 interior guys capable of double digit sacks?

Yes, we should absolutely sign somebody like Ingram or Houston, but this idea that our pass rush hasn’t been addressed at all is silly.

You’d be hard pressed to find many teams with a trio as good as Clark, Jones, and Reed.

Wilson8 05-15-2021 04:54 PM

There is another free agent, but he's a OLB not a DE and he is 32 just like many of the free agents above.

He also wants to get paid. He has refused to sign so far with Seattle because he has said he won't sign for a hometown discount.

I'd like to see this signing as a OLB/DE. I think he could be a difference maker for KC.

K.J. Wright – Mississippi St/Seahawks, Age 32, HT 6-4, WT 246, Arms 35”
2020 stats – 16 games, 86 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 PD, 1 FF, 1 INT||2019 – 16 games, 132 tackles, 11 PD

smithandrew051 05-15-2021 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15675331)
Everybody keeps saying this. Pass rush isn’t exclusive to edge rushers.

We now have the best interior pass rush duo in the league. Who else has 2 interior guys capable of double digit sacks?

Yes, we should absolutely sign somebody like Ingram or Houston, but this idea that our pass rush hasn’t been addressed at all is silly.

You’d be hard pressed to find many teams with a trio as good as Clark, Jones, and Reed.

I think Wharton gets 6+ sacks this year. Wouldn’t shock me if we see Clark-Wharton-Reed-Jones on passing downs frequently.

Wilson8 05-15-2021 05:03 PM

I like our interior defensive line and I agree that they will be good at providing a push on the QB.

Skyy God 05-15-2021 05:10 PM

Looking back at the initial posts in this thread, Beach hit a home run.

Also got lucky we wiffed on Silverback and JuJu, IMO.

Wilson8 05-15-2021 05:13 PM

I'm not saying the Chiefs and Brett Veach haven't done anything to improve the defense and pass rush.

I love many of the moves that have been made.

I'm looking at what the Chiefs have now at DE and I have these concerns.

1. When and where will Frank Clark decide to turn it on?

2. Will Taco Charlton be able to make it through a season healthy?

3. What kind of a player will Joshua Kaindoh be and can he stay healthy?

Skyy God 05-15-2021 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 15675358)
I'm not saying the Chiefs and Brett Veach haven't done anything to improve the defense and pass rush.

I love many of the moves that have been made.

I'm looking at what the Chiefs have now at DE and I have these concerns.

1. When and where will Frank Clark decide to turn it on?

2. Will Taco Charlton be able to make it through a season healthy?

3. What kind of a player will Joshua Kaindoh be and can he stay healthy?

1) We’re still at least 50/50 for Bert (who’s this Brett Veach character) to add a vet pass rusher.

2) Taco/Danna/Ward/Wharton/Kaindoh give us some clay for Daly and Spags to work with.

3) Reed makes our interior pass rush better. Edge rushers are somewhat devalued when QBs get the ball out in 2.5 or less.

Wilson8 05-15-2021 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 15675366)
1) We’re still at least 50/50 for Bert (who’s this Brett Veach character) to add a vet pass rusher.

I'm sure more changes are coming. Maybe a trade. I was just looking at the free agent DEs, as you can see by the list. All of them are fairly old and are certainly on the downhill slide of their NFL careers.

Halfcan 05-15-2021 07:57 PM

and guard Bryan Witzmann released;


This news makes our team better.

Chris Meck 05-16-2021 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 15675358)
I'm not saying the Chiefs and Brett Veach haven't done anything to improve the defense and pass rush.

I love many of the moves that have been made.

I'm looking at what the Chiefs have now at DE and I have these concerns.

1. When and where will Frank Clark decide to turn it on?

2. Will Taco Charlton be able to make it through a season healthy?

3. What kind of a player will Joshua Kaindoh be and can he stay healthy?

Here's the deal:

If we'd added a guy with 8 sacks last year at DE and stood pat at DT nobody would be complaining. But we added a DT with that level of production, so everybody's wringing their hands.

RealSNR 05-16-2021 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15675331)
Everybody keeps saying this. Pass rush isn’t exclusive to edge rushers.

We now have the best interior pass rush duo in the league. Who else has 2 interior guys capable of double digit sacks?

Yes, we should absolutely sign somebody like Ingram or Houston, but this idea that our pass rush hasn’t been addressed at all is silly.

You’d be hard pressed to find many teams with a trio as good as Clark, Jones, and Reed.


And don’t forget about how creatively we used Sneed on corner blitzes towards the end of last year.

I know that’s a gimmick that you shouldn’t rely on, but it’s on tape, and the threat of it is another dimension offenses might have to account for and adjust to.

And you can bet Spags is planning on them doing exactly that

RaidersOftheCellar 05-16-2021 09:59 AM

If Taco can hold up, I think we’re fine there. But obviously we can’t bank on that, and I have little faith in Ward or Danna as pass rushers. Find a proven edge rusher. And sign Breeland yesterday.

Let’s go, Bart....nice work so far but cap it off.

TEX 05-17-2021 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15675851)
If Taco can hold up, I think we’re fine there. But obviously we can’t bank on that, and I have little faith in Ward or Danna as pass rushers. Find a proven edge rusher. And sign Breeland yesterday.

Let’s go, Bart....nice work so far but cap it off.

Yep. Get 'er done Bart. Let's Gooo!

htismaqe 05-17-2021 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15675851)
If Taco can hold up

Sorry, I stopped reading right here.

The dude played in 16 games his first season. After that, it was 11, 10, and then 7.

The dude CAN'T hold up. They'd be foolish to even think it.

Skyy God 05-17-2021 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15676988)
Sorry, I stopped reading right here.

The dude played in 16 games his first season. After that, it was 11, 10, and then 7.

The dude CAN'T hold up. They'd be foolish to even think it.

Maybe he gets hurt in TC and gets healthy for the playoffs......

htismaqe 05-17-2021 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 15677070)
Maybe he gets hurt in TC and gets healthy for the playoffs......

We said that about Sammie last year and he ended up not being healthy for the playoffs. I'm done with Taco. We should have tried to keep Ogbah.

Skyy God 05-17-2021 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15677074)
We said that about Sammie last year and he ended up not being healthy for the playoffs. I'm done with Taco. We should have tried to keep Ogbah.

Too rich.

They bet on Okafor before trading for Ogbah.

htismaqe 05-17-2021 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 15677091)
Too rich.

They bet on Okafor before trading for Ogbah.

Yeah, and they bet wrong. Another brokedick.

penchief 05-17-2021 04:04 PM

It would be cool if those two Michigan alums would make a pact to kick ass this year. Both have something to prove in a big way. Both are probably gone if they don’t step up. Both should be fighting for their careers.

Wilson8 05-17-2021 04:27 PM

Tajae Sharp gone.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-tajae-sharpe/

Wilson8 05-17-2021 04:33 PM

Also KC signs DB Manny Patterson, Maine 5-10, 180.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-after-tryout/

smithandrew051 05-17-2021 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15548737)
I think the most likely OL scenario for next year is:

Stop gap FA swing T with hopes Fisher comes back
Allegretti
Draft Pick (or Allegretti if we draft a G)
LDT
Niang

I will be very surprised if that isn’t the OL in Week 1 (barring an unforeseen injury).

What a ****ing idiot

Skyy God 05-17-2021 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15677162)
What a ****ing idiot

Lol, you maybe got 3 right.

Solid C.

Veachy is a GD wizard.

smithandrew051 05-17-2021 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 15677182)
Lol, you maybe got 3 right.

Solid C.

Veachy is a GD wizard.

At least there was no way that I would be disappointed

TRR 05-17-2021 06:59 PM

Would have loved Kerrigan on the 1 year, 3.5MM deal the Eagles signed him for.

Wilson8 05-17-2021 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRR (Post 15677293)
Would have loved Kerrigan on the 1 year, 3.5MM deal the Eagles signed him for.

I read where his number 1 requirement was an opportunity to start. After playing behind two first round draft picks in Chase Young and Montez Sweat, he was ready to move on.

With the Philadelphia Eagles, Ryan will have to battle Brandon Graham, a 2010 1st round pick, Derek Barnett, a 2017 1st round pick and Josh Sweat (No relation to Montez), a 2018 4th round pick.

I imagine he might get the same type of playing time he saw with Washington.

Ryan Kerrigan - Purdue/Washington, Age 33, HT 6-4, WT 265, Arms 33 3/8”
2020 – 16 GMS, 17 TKL, 5.5 Sk, 1 PD, 6 QBHits|2019 – 16 GMS, 25 TKL, 5.5 Sk, 1 PD, 1 FF, 14 QBHits


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