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WhawhaWhat 08-08-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9867678)
Great! Aviles has averaged 2.1 WAR/162 games in his career. And he's cheap. Alcides by comparison only gets 1.4 WAR/162 games and he cost us our best pitcher in 20 years.


So to recap: Aviles for free, Alcides for a lot. When Aviles is the better player. Awful. Small markets depend on guys like Lough delivering above avg WAR so you don't have to trade for it or pay for it.

It's worth noting that Aviles has only played 85 games while Escobar has played 109.

CaliforniaChief 08-08-2013 10:28 AM

The Indians DFA'd Mark Reynolds today. Thought that was interesting.

Just throwing Pence out there, as he gives us more power than Lough. But yeah, I'm not freaking out there like I was earlier. Same at 2B since Tejada has grabbed that job by the testicles.

Are we set to make a run, or would you guys do anything?

DeezNutz 08-08-2013 10:29 AM

Calculating Escobar's worth is a little harder because defensive metrics are difficult to quantify and assess, even for the most staunch sabermatricians.

Last night there was a perfect example. Ball up the middle, deflects off Duffy's glove, playing into an incredibly difficult in-between hop to Escobar, who handles the play beautifully.

Aviles, physically, is simply incapable of making that play. But now how do we evaluate the "worth" of these moments, which happen more frequently than we're even aware?

mr. tegu 08-08-2013 10:38 AM

I still don't get this whole idea that we need to upgrade RF. If Lough finishes the season around .290 with his little bit of pop I think that is perfectly acceptable for us to roll with. We don't need to spend money to get a very slight offensive upgrade and likely downgrade on defense.

This is his first season and he is performing pretty well. I would rather take a chance that he could improve beyond this season with the expectation that he will continue to produce like he is now. His BABIP is .333 which isn't crazy for a speedy hitter so I don't think his overall BA will regress too much over a large sample size. I would love to see him learn to take more walks though, but that patience will hopefully come with experience.

He has quickly turned into one of my favorite players. Just because we didn't expect this production doesn't mean it is a fluke. Players adjust, learn, and improve and he has done just that and earned his place on the team so far. Nothing has been given to him a la Frenchy and Getz.

Archie F. Swin 08-08-2013 10:52 AM

I'm going to remin optimistic that Bulter, Gordo and Escobar will find their bats between now and septmber and our starters will keep us in games.

duncan_idaho 08-08-2013 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 9867750)
The Indians DFA'd Mark Reynolds today. Thought that was interesting.

Just throwing Pence out there, as he gives us more power than Lough. But yeah, I'm not freaking out there like I was earlier. Same at 2B since Tejada has grabbed that job by the testicles.

Are we set to make a run, or would you guys do anything?

Pence's slugging percentage is only 0.05 points higher than Lough's this year, and Pence has been sliding for a while now. I think his name is carrying him a bit right now.

CaliforniaChief 08-08-2013 11:44 AM

What about a starting pitcher? I mean, make the strength even stronger.

At this point, Bruce Chen is pitching very well. But will that last? Do we trust Duffy? Wade Davis is the weakest link. Adding a SP gives us an advantage almost every time we take the field.

Let me just toss 2 names out there from teams who are out:

Jorge DeLaRosa
or....
Tim Lincecum

Maybe Colorado would never trade a pitcher to KC again (even if he used to be our pitcher). And yeah, Lincecum has been up and down. But he's got plus stuff and at the back end of a rotation with a good defense could still be effective. And isn't he a free agent at the end of the year?

Just throwing out crap. I know.

WhawhaWhat 08-08-2013 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 9868001)
What about a starting pitcher? I mean, make the strength even stronger.

At this point, Bruce Chen is pitching very well. But will that last? Do we trust Duffy? Wade Davis is the weakest link. Adding a SP gives us an advantage almost every time we take the field.

Let me just toss 2 names out there from teams who are out:

Jorge DeLaRosa
or....
Tim Lincecum

Maybe Colorado would never trade a pitcher to KC again (even if he used to be our pitcher). And yeah, Lincecum has been up and down. But he's got plus stuff and at the back end of a rotation with a good defense could still be effective. And isn't he a free agent at the end of the year?

Just throwing out crap. I know.

I would take a chance on Tim Lincecum all day long.

duncan_idaho 08-08-2013 11:52 AM

Just saw Peter Gammons say the Twins were likely to place Josh Willingham on waivers (MLB Network).

KC should be ALL over that, if that's the case. Willingham is signed through next season ($7 million) and offers big-time RH pop.

The teams Gammons mentioned - Rays, Tigers, Rangers - all would be below KC on the waiver list. So you're not just improving your team... you're blocking one of the teams you're trying to catch from improving, too.

Mr. Laz 08-08-2013 11:52 AM

it would be nice to have a guy that can give Esky a break once in awhile


somebody with a decent bat


i would still rather have Tejada as a Utility guy instead of starting

CaliforniaChief 08-08-2013 12:00 PM

Willingham would be nice. Cuddyer would be great, but COL isn't trading him.

Plus it gives another viable DH option if Billy's struggles linger.

Prison Bitch 08-08-2013 12:12 PM

Really I think the team is set for this year and next with the exception of 2B. That's why I wanted Kendrick so badly, too bad it iddin't happen.

WhawhaWhat 08-08-2013 12:14 PM

Alex Rios has been claimed off waivers, not sure by who yet.

siberian khatru 08-08-2013 12:14 PM

I was disappointed to see the Blue Jays pull DeRosa off waivers last night. One rumor was the Braves claimed him, but KC is above them in the pecking order.

DeRosa would be an upgrade over Johnson. He can play multiple positions, and although he doesn't have Johnson's glove he'd be a much better bat. He's someone who could spell Moose vs. tough lefties and give Tejada a couple of days off a week. He'd cost $230K the rest of this season, and he's signed for $750K next year. The Jays say that's why they're keeping him.

duncan_idaho 08-08-2013 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9868090)
Alex Rios has been claimed off waivers, not sure by who yet.

My guess: The Rangers. They talked to the Sox about him earlier this year.


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