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It would be awesome if 2 of those 3 would find their way out of our Organization...sooner rather than later.

Singer is frustrating to watch. A couple of times today (his last at-bat against Gallo comes to mind), it was clear he just didn't have the stuff to even challenge Joey and ended up conceding a walk to him after being ahead 0-2. Now the Yankees are completely on his fastball and slider (as per usual in his 3rd time through the order) and he has nothing to counter it with. Add in the fact that he is just ignoring runners on the basepaths and it just seems like he's a guy who could benefit from extended time in Omaha where he can throw his change and bounce back mentally until he's comfortable competing at this level.

What a complete load of bullshit.

Lol that’s funny. Gotta love MAYBE being in contention for the wild card some years but never being good enough to win the division due to being behind Chicago in all aspects for the foreseeable future.

It's significant enough that I might send him all the way to High A and make him work his way back up with the changeup. Or at least AA. Shake him up a little bit.

If he stops being so stubborn and starts taking advantage of what the staff can do to help him develop a third pitch (changeup, cutter, splitter, don't care) he can be a really good major leaguer.

Singer just looks awful. I was excited to see him after the promise he showed last year. What a disappointment.

Had a lot of shitty luck in 2016 and 2017 that didn't keep it going. 2016 injuries were huge. Not to mention the injury to Cain that kept the big trade with the Nationals for Trea Turner from going down. 2017 with the death of Ventura was the biggest blow of all for the franchise.

Yeah, a lot of people forget that about 2016. That season we had significant injuries to Gordo, Moose, Cain, Hoch and Davis. The first two injuries made us sellers at the deadline, but when Cain went down injured we lost out on a huge opportunity to extend our competitive window. It's been pointed out that we had good injury luck in 2014 and 2015, but all that luck was completely erased and evened out in the following seasons.

Ventura's death is still a gutpunch for me to think about. 2017 just had a pall over it from that point forward :(.

Yeah. They had the framework for an agreement in place to send Davis and Cain to Washington for Trea Turner and a pitching prospect whose name I've forgotten. The deal was just waiting for the Royals to say yes, and then Cain got hurt.

Reynaldo Lopez

You must not read the nonsense your friend posts.

He does not seem to be aspiring to be a virtuous person with integrity. Not sure why it hurt your feelings worse than it hurt his.

If the asshole says he has no interest in the Royals organization until Moore and Matheny are "shit-canned", he might take a break from tossing turds in the Royals thread punch bowls, if he had integrity.

Maybe we could start a thread on the Royals for the scrubs that have not accomplished 1/100th of what Dayton Moore has accomplished and they can congratulate each other on how much better a job they would have done if they somehow had the job they did nothing to earn.

It can be true that Dayton Moore did an amazing job in his first decade as the Royals GM and also that he did not do an amazing job at the things he needed to starting about 1/2 through that first decade, leading to under performance in years 11-15.

The Royals were a JOKE when he took the job. Their scouting department was small and pathetic and poorly organized. They had no presence in Latin America. No FA with options wanted a part of Kc unless overpaid by significant amounts.

Then he spent five years building the thing from the ground up and turning it into an elite farm system, ranked by many prospect orgs at the time as the deepest system they’d ever seen and best they’d ever seen.

And then he cashed that in for 2 pennants and a World Series title. Meanwhile, teams undergoing similar rebuilds in places like Pittsburgh or Seattle ended up with nada.

And then he and his staff did a bad job adjusting to the changes in the draft system. They could no longer throw enough money at guys in later rounds to build the depth they needed to make the HS prospect approach work any more.

But they realized they were of course and have worked hard to correct since 2016.

I’m still not a fan of the approach they took in the draft this year, but the 17, 18, 19, and 20 drafts were nice changes. The 16 draft was pretty meh, but Nicky Lopez looks like an everyday player, Richard Lovelady should be a good bullpen piece, and they flipped Khalil Lee for 2 years of Andrew Benintendi (that may turn into more via extension).

Those drafts and changes in approach with pitching and hitting development built up a lot of good will with me. I’m excited about the state of the farm.

But the staff of dumbasses and the 21 draft class burn most of that good will off.

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Lmao friend? I don't think I've ever interacted with Fansy.

I've never seen someone so triggered over criticism of a shitty GM and shitty manager. Are you Dayton Moore or a relative of his? The amount of emotion spilling out from your responses has me thinking that you may have actually cried while reading my posts or while you were writing yours, hell maybe both.

Obviously I give a shit about the team. I sure as hell wouldn't be bitching every single night about how terribly ran they are. At the moment there is only one ****ing dude that I despise and his name is Ryan O'Hearn. This clown has a .653 OPS and -2.8 WAR between 2019 and today. Does this stop the Royals from playing him in RF instead of Edward Olivares, a guy that has a .739 OPS in 20 games this season. He's done everything he can, but is treated like a piece of trash.

I know he's hurt all the time, but when is Mondesi gonna be back? I know he's been at AAA and playing bad, but that doesn't bother me one bit. Id rather not waste his health in AAA and I need him to play well so I can sell this card lol

Oppo slicer for a HR. No problem. Tell me why this guy isn't a Top 15-20 prospect in Milb? Are they really that scared of his Wilmington numbers? I think there must be something weird in the air at Wilmington. You could send Vlad Guerrero there right now and he'd hit .260 and hit 12 hr only.

That would be awful, but I’m afraid DM is just the kind of dude who will do that. Beni sucks - he’s got an ops+ of 94 and he grades badly at running and defense. He’s a 0.2 fWar player this year and was garbage last year. He’s hurt a lot. He has had *one* good year out of six


I’m sure he brings all sorts of leadership and clubhouse unity and blah blah. But he isn’t any good, and he certainly doesn’t provide anything from a corner OF

Some posters are able to criticize with some humor and some sense of perspective.

Matheny is a better big league manager than you are a poster and Dayton Moore is way much better as a GM than you are at anything.

I guess it makes you feel big, but it is clear that you are not adding much.

It is chickenshit to say you are going to stop paying attention and then post more than anyone else since you said you were through.

I was pretty close to the field and after every hit I would yell something like "was that the changeup?" Or "I think that changeup looked pretty good" Eventually I just screamed - "Throw the damn changeup for crying out loud." I'm pretty sure heard me.

He has not been good since the injury in mid-June. I don't think they'll jump at an extension this offseason necessarily, but I do think it will be a consideration if he can stay healthy and hit like he did in May/June. If they believe he can, we may see the extension this offseason.

He was .317/.356/.676 in May/June. 38 games, 151 PA. Not a huge sample size but reminiscent of his peaks in Boston.

If he hits like that, even if the D and baserunning are a little below par, it works.

whats are the chance of Witt getting called up Sept 1st?
50/50?

Only if we are buying low. If we agree to some 4/50 deal DM should be fired.


I took the liberty of dazzling you all with a hypo Beni deal. We know 2 things nec to do this: Symborski’s ZIPS projections and his cost per FA win.


1) ZIPS
2022: 1.4
2023: 1.1

2) Cost per win*
2022: 6.37m or 3.7m
2023: 7.34m or 3.7m



*He finds that a 1 War guy gets 3.7m per win. A 4 War guy gets 7.2m per win. Since Beni is proj to be the low bar, we get him the low contract.


NET: a 2-yr extension for 2023-24 should be about $7.5M total. Equal to his current salary and A pay cut from his $6.6m 2022 salary.

So is Mondesi hurt? Teachin him a lesson? He's been in Omaha since the 3rd. Theres been 9 games and he's only played in 5 and hasn't played since the 10th.

How often does a player go on rehab assignment and then play only half the games? Maybe they're calling him up, so they didn't have him play tonight?

Some cards I picked up recently

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Yeah, that type of extension seems unlikely. I have a hard time trusting ZIPS for WAR predictions, and I suspect the Royals would have a rosier view.

Most likely scenario is that he is brought back on his final arb year and given a chance to prove he can stay healthy and productive all season.

***Official 2021 Royals Season Repository Thread***
 

Bobby Witt Jr and Nick Pratto stats in Omaha.

In 20 games with the Omaha StormChasers, Witt has eight home runs, 18 RBIs and an .986 OPS.

Pratto has also had immediate success at Triple A. In 19 games, he has six home runs and 17 RBIs with a 1.090 OPS.

Then there’s this note: Among 22-year-olds or younger in the upper levels of the minor leagues in 2021:

Pratto ranks No. 1 in wRC+ (160). Royals catching prospect MJ Melendez ranks No. 2 (157) and Witt Jr ranks No. 7 (147).

There is a lot to be excited about.

I remember people questioning whether Edward Olivares could play CF. Looks pretty good to me.

https://twitter.com/OMAStormChasers/...101539328?s=19

Any word on Mondesi? He's been in Omaha for rehab, but he's missed a few games.

Why?

Of course they do, and that’s what I’m afraid of.
True.

Serious question, because I honestly have no clue. How close have ZIPS future WAR predictions been? Obviously you wouldn't expect it to be right on the mark with every prediction, but is it within 80% of the WAR on 80% of the players (not counting injured players).

Dave S strikes me as an unflinching believer in his own stuff. I don't think he adjusts it very well, and I've never found ZIPS predictions to be that accurate.

Well in doing my own research it seems to me that ZiPS is pretty much one of the worst prediction systems out there. It was pretty much last in each year I've looked at.

This is a total aside.

I was feeling nostalgic and was looking for 2014-2015 highlights and realized the Royals Supercut video (1 hour and 37 minutes of pure 2015 Royals highlights) had been taken down from Youtube - as with a lot of other highlight videos from that time due to copyright. I found the creator of the Supercut on reddit, I then found the creator of "Blue October" who had the Blue October 1 AND a Blue October 2 video he made from 2015 that Youtube took down immediately. I now have an over 2 hour video of 2014 AND 2015 highlights and am in the process of adding 2014 World Series highlights and other highlights from that run (mostly defensive) that weren't in the original videos.

Anywho, all that is to say that re-watching the 2015 postseason made me realize that Moose actually really struggled on defense in that entire postseason. To the point where I can not remember him struggling to that level at any other time in his career. He couldn't turn double plays in Game 2 or Game 5 against the Stros (potentially costing Cueto a perfect game (seriously) in Game 5). He had a bad error in the ninth inning of Game 1 against the Jays (luckily, unlike the Royals, who could turn any error into a rally like they would the following game, Hoch and our D shut that down), he also couldn't turn a critical double play in the World Series (leading to the only run against Cueto in Game 2) and couldn't make plays on the shift throughout it.

Luckily he didn't botch anything in big moments (had the last outs in Game 2 of the ALDS, Game 6 of the ALCS, and Game 4 of the WS), but something interesting to me is that I still see Jays fans on reddit who argue that Ryan Goins may have cost them the ALCS with his misplay in Game 2. It's really a testament to how strong our bullpen, Cueto (in the ALDS and WS) and the rest of our defense was that Moose's entire 2015 defensive postseason struggles have been simply forgotten about today.

Our 2022 schedule has an interesting twist in it. If you look at June our schedule is Houston, Toronto, Baltimore, San Francisco, Oakland, and Angels all in a row. All of our 2014 and 2015 playoff teams.

Not all. But still kinda crazy.

We'll re-match the Mets in the World Series to cover em' all.

Haha. I’ll take it!

I'm so glad that Olivares and Witt and Pratto and Isbel are rotting in AAA so that Dyson and Dozier and O'Hearn and Taylor and Davis and Holland and Ervin Santana can keep getting playing time.

Are they manipulating service time or are they dumb, it's one or the other.

Why waste those guys with Mathney.

Olivares needs to be up. He's too old to be sitting in AAA and we need to know if he's part of the future. I don't think I've ever been more mad about a prospect not getting time than I am with what they're doing with Olivares. He's outplayed everyone that's taking his ABs. Absolutely crushing it in the minors.

During his last 8 game stint, started 6 and he was great


24 ABs/6 hits/3 HRs/.250 BA/.280 OBP/.625 SLG/.905 OPS

He was really unlucky too with a .167 BAbip.

He also has a rbi single as a pinch hitter in the 11th.

Then the next day...

Demoted for a bullpen arm. Could have sent down O'Hearn, Dozier, DFA'd Wade or Dyson. Nope send down one of our hottest hitters.

****ing talk about demoralizing. Take all the kids momentum and flush it down the toilet. This is literally unforgivable and this alone should get that mother****ing bible ****ing dimwit DM fired. **** I hate that man.

Witt Jr., Pratto, Melendez need to stay as far away from Mike Matheny as possible. That **** stick could absolutely ruin our only hope to contend anytime soon.

So what in the living **** is going on with Mondesi? It seems to be pretty quiet and he's just still sitting there in Omaha not playing. It's like 4 games in a row now or 5 maybe.

Oh holy shit, was checking on the minor league guys and was looking at our A+ club and saw this very nice surprise. Remember our old friend Seuly Matias? Well he got hurt after sucking to begin the year or maybe he was sucking because he was hurt. Well small sample size and all but holy shit.

He's been back since July 13th and is absolutely raking. He didn't have 1 HR before he got hurt and now in just 23 games he has racked up 10 ****ing homers.

23 games/94 ABs/18 Runs/24 Hits/3 2Bs/2 3Bs/10 HRs/25 RBIs/6 BBs/37 SOs/.255 BA/.307 OBP/.649 SLG/.956 OPS

This would be one hell of a nice little surprise if he got back on track.

Oh and our 2020 1st round #32 pick Nick Loftin has turned it on after sucking shit the first month or so. That dude can play all over the field. Michael Massey is kicking ass too. Vinnie Pasqauntino is tearing up AA now just like he was in A+. So good news in the minors. Maybe one of them will become a bonafide star.

I honestly don’t really care anymore. He’s not a guy we can count on. Even Dayton has alluded to it.

Just came out and said it directly, actually.

Well I definitely do care considering he's probably the number 1 or 2 most talented guy in this organization. No way am I giving up on him and would really like to know why he's riding the bench in Omaha.

The strikeout rate is still worrisome and he's old enough now to really be skeptical it improves much.

But when he's healthy, he hits the ball very, very hard and very, very far.

Then JJ Piccolo basically said there's no way they're moving him to the OF. Acted like because Kaufman is big it's not any easier than short..

Sometimes I really think the Royals are run by buffoons.

I could see trying him at 3B as well, I guess. But it's still a tough position to avoid frequent dives.

But man... to dream for a minute... an IF defense of Mondesi, Witt, Lopez and Pratto would have a potential plus defender at every position, and depending on how well Witt and Pratto play defensively, potentially Gold Glove caliber guys at every spot.

We have a gaping hole in CF. Might as well try him out there. He certainly has the speed to play center. Royals are being very stubborn in their thinking.

I agree, unless they believe Isbel or Olivares can handle it.

FA pool or a trade would also work fine.

SSJ was talking about the 2018 draft the other day. The royals picked 18th and picked Brady Singer. The cardinals picked Nolan Gorman at 19. I guess Gorman is now the top 3b prospect in baseball. I know hindsight is 20/20 but it would be nice to have Gorman in the system along with Will, Pratto and Melendez after seeing Singer’s regression.

**** these idiots don't even think Olivares can handle a corner outfield spot. Theyd rather trot O'Hearn out there.

Also why hasn't Isbel gotten another shot in the majors? He was good enough to make the starting day lineup, but only got 12 ****ing games and was sent down. Since July 1st he's turned it around and has an .847 OPS.

Why does Ryan O'Hearn get this big years long leash of absolute and total suckage, but here he is still sucking. Michael Taylor sucks ass and should be DFA'd he has no future here, but here he is sucking. Hunter Dozier is absolute garbage, but he's still in the majors. Hanser Alberto is also established garbage that has never been anything but garbage and here he is playing in 79 games already.

Why does Dayton Moore feel the need to scrape the bottom of the barrel every single off-season to sign some guys that are AAAA players and they always end up being starters for way too long when we have several guys in the minors that could do as good as, if not better than those scrubs.

Oh and the idiot traded away the guy that could have potentially been our CF of the future in Brett Phillips. Phillips has a .711 OPS this year which would give him the 2nd highest OPS among all of our starters. Brett Phillips was just another guy that never got an actual shot at starting, because Dayton just had to make sure Bubba Starling got his ABs.

I hate Dayton so so much. I can't wait until he's gone. Hopefully he doesn't get rid of too much talent before that happens.

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Yeah, it’s a comparison that has bounced back and forth a few times. Looked great a few years ago, looked fine at the start of this year.

Singer has the talent to be a really good starter, but does he have the wherewithal to make the changes he needs to make?

K rate and defense are the only potential road blocks with Gorman. I don’t think it’s set that he can stick at 3B in the majors.

He has a career 30 percent K rate in the minors but has seemingly made strides this year. Hasn’t acclimated well yet to AAA but is only 21. He’s a tremendous prospect and one I’d be really excited to see paired with Pratto and Witt.

The handling of Olivares makes me angry, too. It’s pretty dumb.

@LWorthySports: #Royals manager Mike Matheny said Adalberto Mondesi has come back to KC to see the club's medical staff. He'd experienced tightness in his oblique during his minor-league rehab assignment.

JFC

Managed to play in 10 games this year. It's beyond obvious what we're having him do isn't working and never will.

Looks like Bobby Witt Jr will be the SS next season.

I just don’t understand it.

Gorman is not even the top 3B prospect in his own organization.

Bubic completely shit the bed in this one.

*turns on game, watches 30 seconds, turns off game*

You pretty much nailed it on the head, but I will also add into this ****ing mess of a shit show of this organization.

Not only that, that idiot signed Greg Holland and Wade Davis, who both were CLEARLY done, as all the normal statistics and advanced stats showed that they were declining in a very rapid rate. Surely they couldn't find someone else who is at least slightly better than that.

Not only that it was not surprisingly that Holland and Davis has sucked, it really hurt the good memories we had with these guys in 2013-2015. Now this shit show really damper that memories.

That idiot also makes that comment that he doesn't make, if any, transactions. I'm going to call bullshit on that, because he does make transactions, but for all the wrong reasons. Guess what? They're now suffering the consequences of that.

This idiot also has a bad track record of hiring managers. Trey Hillman and Mike Matheny. Ned Yost was more or less of a lucky hire and some luck, but still, all these managers are not stat driven or use advanced metrics. They all are what old managers are, "gut driven".

This guy is becoming the Carl Peterson of the Royals side (albeit, he did get a championship, unlike King Carl).

Nolan Arenado is red hot.

Bubic looked tighter than Mondesi's oblique.

Ditto :rolleyes:

Apparently a pitcher for Cleveland is having a very outstanding game....

I never thought I would be longing for Ned Yost to be the manager, but god dammit I'd take him over Matheny every single day. Ned may have been an idiot, but he knew how to just let the guys sort their shit out and was great for the younger players too.

Well at least we got word on what was going on with Mondi. Id shut him down for the rest of the season and start fresh next year. Maybe play him in every other spring training game and give him at least 1 off day a week. Maybe he can play for like 20 games next year if we coddle him.

Triston McKenzie.

So I just turned on the game and see the Rs are down by a touchdown.
This shit writes itself. I can’t make it up. What a terrible season. Glad it’s Mahomes-time.

So now a rookie is one of the main people responsible for Olivares rotting in AAA. Emmanuel Rivera is now getting consistent ABs and sucking complete dog shit. Rivera's only bad one good season in the minors, but he gets an extended look at 3rd. Hunter Dozier needs to be at 3rd, because we all know that this team is going to give him ABs even if he was OPSing .450.

And if they're determined that Mondesi isn't going to the OF then Dozier is an OF or DH...that contract looks really stupid now.