Frank Clark was getting stonewalled by TEs in his first week as a Chief. He's obviously gotten worse since then.

It's no surprise at all that 3rd string LTs are shutting him down. Tight Ends can do it. About the only time he impacts a play is when he's going unblocked due to play design or if he's somehow going up against a WR.

He's just a really bad football player.

Too bad he didn't blow his own brains out on accident

I'll also point out that they flipped Jones and Clark's sides quite a bit, and Jones was also completely negated by the 3rd string LT and second string RT.

They're both shitty.

Yes. We know what Clark is. Jones has been infinitely more disappointing this season.

He has the second largest cap hit of any defensive player in the NFL this season, second only to Aaron Donald.

Hope this worthless fat **** gets Goosh Gooshed to death in prison.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCfUzI7X...jpg&name=large

What's even more depressing and hilarious is the fact that Clark may still be Veachs best acquisition with a first round pick. Jesus titty****ing Christ on a cracker.....

This is the culture the coaching staff and FO have built and embraced so is anyone really surprised….?

Of course Clark is acting like this, he knows damn well he can do it and nothing will happen to him. Same with Chris Jones and his “effort” and Mathieu more worried about about who’s saying shit about him on social media than he is the game.

It’s a circus…

Marcus Kemp has as many tackles as Clark

That's a real bad look to be laughing it up like that when we're getting killed and Frank played another shitty game.

This dude is making like 26 million ****ing dollars this season.

At one point I believe Clark had more penalties this season than tackles.

I know we don’t have DEs right now but anybody off the street is better than the shit we trot out there currently.

Put Jones back in at DT and sign some scrubs to soak up snaps and look like shit on the edges.

Yeah - I guess.

I hate it, but I can't keep ignoring what's in front of me.

I still think Jones can/should be an excellent DE but man, he sure doesn't seem to be trying out there. It's bizarre that he was given his 'dream shot' and is coasting through it.

It makes me worry about what kind of actual effort we'll get from him if we move him inside. Why should we think he'll be any better if he's lazy on the interior than he's been on the edge?

I just don't understand this team, man. They just seem to be going through the motions and so many of them don't really have cause to. Jones motivation is his DE shot. Clark and Mathieu are looking at contract seasons. Okafor is on his way out of the league. Sure, 'they won and got paid' is easy to say, but a lot of these guys that are underperforming still have a shitload to play for.

I don't get it at all.

I don’t know anymore but if Jones gets moved back to DT and puts in the same effort? Then ****ing trade him this offseason.

Clark can get ****ed. His bullshit is tiresome when you’re losing and it’s the same way with Mathieu now. I know this isn’t on him because he’s doing his job, for the most part, out there…but if your first thought after that loss is to hop on Twitter to defend yourself? **** man.

We’re 3-4 and circling the drain. Start putting in young guys and seeing what you have. I don’t give a **** if you think DOD doesn’t understand the defense. He might actually be able to tackle unlike Niemann.

Hughes? Get ****ed. Put in Baker.
Sorenson? Get ****ed. Put in Watts.

Profoundly disappointed that he is still on the team this morning

Unceremoniously dumping his ass would be the PERFECT message for Veach to send to the rest of the team

They financially can’t right now.

Well, shit

That would require there to be accountability in this franchise....

We would lose $13 million in cap space just cutting him. It isn’t happening this season. What they can do is bench his worthless ass for not ****ing trying.

Agreed. But this year's a wash so whatever...

Andy is clearly a great program builder and a good coach when things are going well.

At this point though you have to question his ability to keep things rolling and deal with adversity.

His buddy buddy, no accountability style works well when everyone is having fun.

But I'm not sure he's the guy that'll give you a kick in the pants if you need it.

Oh this thing is toast...you can just see it and feel it, I'd love to be wrong but I'm afraid I'm not.

I think the wheels are going to come flying off of this thing....

Time for new blood and a fresh perspective.

Von Miller will invite him to go shark fishing.

Well, if we can't cut him, how bout we tie him up to a makeshift plywood stock, put it outside the HyVee gate and let fans Rochambeau him on the way in?

Ill supply the lumber

I think they should start benching guys. healthy scratch. **** you.

Except we don't hardly have enough to guys to play in that case.

Yeah its very risky at certain spots, but it needs to be done anyway

Some of these guys are just BEGGING for it

Let the humbling begin, IMO

Guys like Clark play the game. unfortunately it is not Football. Play well enough to get a huge life changing contract and then say screw it. "I got paid "F this franchise, the owner and coaches". Look at how most of these deadbeats live their lives. Clark will be in Jail or flat ass broke in 10 years. I say dump his ass after the season and take the hit. He is dead money either way.

If he gets in trouble for the guns do we get out of the contract like the d bowe sonic run

There is a clause I think. We may be able too if he's found guilty.

Would depend how strong of a morals clause they put in his deal.

If it's strong, they could eventually gain a cap credit when they got the unearned SB back.

He takes not just plays but whole games off. For a guy that's suppose to have a high motor he's getting very lazy out there.

He's paid, out of shape and lazy.

The holy trinity of suck.

So if we dump Frank Clark because he is charged on yet another gun incident…does that mean his Seattle buddy Jarran Reed won’t be signing a contract extension…?

Promise….?

GTFO.

And terminate Britt while you’re at it. Get him some help, and get him the **** outta here.

They’re parts of this roster and coaching staff that need a good double flush..

Um...Britt Reid's contract wasn't renewed last February.

He's already 'the **** outta here'....

Yeah! Dump the guy that did that dead for the one that did the deal for the paid, out of shape and lazy OBJ!!!!!

It's a pride thing. Jones signed a DE contract, not gonna move inside otherwise it proves him and his agent wrong. Same thing with Orlando Brown, dude is a RT in this offense if anything. If I had my pick of the best agents in the nfl whomever reps Jones and Clark ripped us off more than the Brown and Reed agents. Horny Bitcher isn't worth an extension. We know that by now.

We have nobody behind these guys. I think Thornhill is a jag, nobody behind brown, clark or jones. Absolutely nobody good on offense behind kelce/hill no good up and coming corners. Nothing in the pipeline.

Jones signed a contract worthy of the second best DT in the league. He is being played out of position and it shows. I would like to see how he looks when he gets moved back inside before calling into question his contract numbers.

he can't get any pressure against 2nd and 3rd team OT's. I don't see how any of that matters.

He should have absolutely destroyed those bums. But nope, nothing, and no real effort. The tape don't lie.

Correct. He should be doing more and he isn't. This is a huge reason why he needs to move back inside. He was drafted to play DT, he made a name for himself as a DT, and he was paid very well to continue doing that as a DT. It's clear the DE experiment is an absolute failure. I want to see how he performs back at his natural spot before passing too much judgment on him.

Reid should bench Frank Clark. It's embarrassing having a guy out there making that kind of money who is as bad as he is.

Agreed. At this point, playing him accomplishes nothing.

Yukking it up on the sideline during a blowout loss is the worst possible look, it says all the wrong things to guys making far less money than him... if these coaches have a single hair on their nutsack, he rides the bench for at least the next several games

Is it the talent or Brendan Daly? Both?

Kpass has 3 sacks on the season. More than Clark and Jones combined.

Yeah heard that stat on him last night, disgusting

The best answer is both, IMO

I think both. Jones is playing out of position and Clark has lost the fire and hunger he once had. Reed wasn't this bad in Seattle. He's an absolute non factor.

Dude has checked out.

Maybe something will light a fire under his ass, but I'm not holding my breath.

Frank hasn't checked out. I just saw him dive through the air trying to sack Tannehill. He almost got there.

Physically, he's just not there though.

Wow. I didn't know that. Looking at the stats Ogbah also has more sacks than Jones and Clark combined. We have a coaching and player evaluation problem.

KPass has been on the field more than Clark and Jones combined.


Broke Dicks don't get sacks when sitting out.

K-pass probably had the biggest play of the game last night. His sack on 3rd down pushed the Seahawks back far enough for their FG attempt to take the lead to push left. Then Nola used the field position to go kick a FG of their own to take the lead.

Now he didn't really do anything - just charged forward and for whatever reason the C seemed confused. He locked on the blitzer despite the RB setting up to take him on. By the time he realized he needed to slide over, it was too late and K-Pass went by him.

It's a sack most DL would've been able to get. Then again - I'm still not sure Clark is one of 'em.

Chadiha on 810 - several Chiefs party it up after losses and don't care

Transcript:

"You can only be that bad defensively over a period of time...it erodes the trust within the team. You mentioned Tyrann Mathieu getting upset when the coverages get blown. That stuff pisses people off."

"What's happening with Frank Clark and Chris Jones, that stuff drives people crazy because they're getting paid."

"After they lost to Buffalo, people were saying there's not enough people on the team who get upset over losses. There's some guys who can't sleep, and there's some who go right to the club."

"That's a splintering as well. You can't win a championship if you have a horrible unit on your team."

https://omny.fm/shows/the-border-pat...3-395d720310f5

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If it’s what I think you mean, it’s towards the end of this appearance. <a href="https://t.co/99aWo9N8SV">https://t.co/99aWo9N8SV</a></p>&mdash; �������������� ���������������� aka Todd C. Barton (@toddcbarton) <a href="https://twitter.com/toddcbarton/status/1453833966176411650?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bench the dudes who go to the club. It’s that simple. Doesn’t matter who the **** it is.

I’m shocked! /nobody

Something I think about a lot is how all of the local and national pundits say stuff like, "The Chiefs don't need a top 10 defense. They just can't be historically bad. Just average, or even a little below average, is good enough."

The players all hear that shit. I'd probably have a tough time getting motivated for my job if I heard every day, "We know you suck, can you just please try to be mediocre today?", especially if my job entailed risking permanent injury. Obviously they're getting paid a ton and should be professionals. I'm not defending the players. I'm only saying I can see how it happens. They are human beings.

It seems to be the same dynamic with Clark and Jones that happened with Houston and Berry. They say all the right things, but their body language and lack of going all out on every play says they're just picking up a paycheck.

I think Honey Badger polices the secondary pretty well. But we need more guys who play with fire and we need our best players to lead by example. That hasn't happened in the front 7 since we had DJ and Hali in their primes. Bolton could emerge as a leader for the LBs. But we desperately need a stud DE who plays hungry.

The first thing we need to do after this season is unload Jones imo. He's too talented for Reid to bench, and it's just not Reid's style to publicly humiliate a player like that. But I truly think his lack of effort is a cancer that infects the rest of the team.

$32M dead money. No cap savings.

Can't cut or trade til 2023.

Frank Clark is a goner.

Are you sure we can't trade him and not take the cap hit? The KC Lab guys guessed we could still trade him for a high second round pick.

2nd round pick for a guy that cost 20 mil and can't get to the QB anymore? Maybe wouldn't be 20 mil since we have to pay 12 of it but a 2nd isn't happening.

Yeah right.

Positive.

https://arrowheadguys.com/why-the-ch...e-chris-jones/

This suggests it's possible.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs DE Frank Clark says he still feels like he’s one of the best but says he’s dealing with a lot of stuff off the field. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; Rob Collins (@RCFOX4KC) <a href="https://twitter.com/RCFOX4KC/status/1454134782535868416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sounds like a little baby back b*tch

Yeah the other thing is Frank Clark knows he's not getting paid again. I was hoping this would be like a contract year for him. But he just gave up instead.

Oh.

Still, seems like a long shot. Who is going to want to pay him that money, and do the Chiefs want to go into next year with zero proven pass rushers?

It's hard to imagine our pass rush could get any worse than it is now. At least with young hungry guys flying around on every play you don't get this "someone else will make the tackle" mentality that seems to be infecting some of the team at the moment.

Maybe we can pick up a DE in the first round. No idea what the class looks like for 2022.

Just a few more posts to 5000. Then Frank Clark will be good again?!?!

Thing is you have to think Jones can get back to form if he moves back to DT full time.

Clark is a lost cause. Hasn't been good for a long time.

Yeah we can get that. If we throw in Sorensen we might be able to get two firsts!!

Yeah but will Jones' motivation go even more into the tank if he moves back to DT full time? His dream was to play DE (and I suspect cash in a big DE contract).

That might take throwing in Niemann as well.

After a shit year I suspect he'll do whatever it takes to not be kicked out of sack nation.

Welp that was a depressing 40 minutes, Chadiha is right... theres just too many side issues all adding up right now

Andy dealing with the Britt Reid thing
Reek complaining about money after the opener
Tyrann always complaining about money
Mahomes dealing with his goofball ass brother and girlfriend
Clarks legal woes and lack of effort
Jones lack of effort
Too many guys fat n happy, partying at the club after horrible losses

Our once elite locker room has become a shell of itself

Actually, my bad, I thought you were talking about Clark.

Yeah if you go to overthecap and use their calculator...we save money if we cut or trade Chris Jones.

Sheesh what a terrible ****ing deal and we gave up picks for it.

Yeah I know we won a SB off it but **** man.

Maybe he should have actually ****ing tried this season. Dude got what he wanted (playing DE) and he’s ****ed it completely up.

If they traded him after this year….I wouldn’t shed a ****ing tear.

The $32M is Jones.

Clark is cuttable this offseason.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Frank Clark: &quot;I&#39;ve been dealing with a lot of stuff. You&#39;ve got to put a lot stuff to the side. Those things are just as important as football, taking care of my family &amp; my job. I feel like I&#39;m in a way better place than before. It&#39;s a focus level you have to have.&quot;</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1454134885900226567?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>