He still thinks 4 nba championships are more than 6

They don't claim it as a championship because they have too much pride and history to do it even though it logically makes sense (in the absence of a postseason tournament in college sports, the top team has always been the champion) and even though other schools would have in KU's place.

That's why I (and other KU fans) do it for them.

I mean, I guess that's your prerogative as a fan but that doesn't make it a legitimate championship.

That's like the Eagles fans claiming a title because they don't acknowledge the hold on juju ROFL

Insecure people do things like we see in this thread. Inventing narratives to boost resumes he obviously isn't proud of. Bron being the focal of that insecurity.

He’s the GOAT because he played longer? So my ASG appearance due to more years playing trumps league MVP, Finals MVP, championships, and undefeated finals record? Are you trolling right now on purpose or do you honestly believe that?

Are you suggesting that longevity doesn't have any bearing on who the GOAT is in any respective sports? So Mahomes is the GOAT because he had 5 great years then?

Championships are only as legitimate as the fans deem them to be. See the 2017 and 2018 fraudulent KD Warriors titles.

Longevity does play a role in it all things being equal, but they aren’t equal. Jordan has more rings, championship MVPs, and league MVPs. He is 6-0 in the finals to Lebron’s 4-6. You keep using the longevity award because you can’t dispute the facts. Also three of those “years” were because Jordan left college as a Junior while Lebron never played college ball because the NBA allowed HS players to jump to the NBA, which is an option Jordan never had.

Longevity is used as a tiebreaker, not an accomplishment in and of itself.

You want to talk fraudulent titles? Bubble title is a fraudulent as they come.

This is, of course, a lie. There's a distinct difference between GOAT and BOAT. The only claim MJ even realistically has left is to BOAT (but he's not that either).

Emmitt Smith is the GOAT RB!

On the contrary, that was legit as they come. Just basketball players playing basketball for the love of the game with no other distractions. Just a great end to that season.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment..._the_best_and/

See, Reddit knows. Legacy and awe...you don't get better than LeBron in that regard.

They're happy to claim titles that some breadmaker gave them 20 years after the fact, though...

Well if Reddit says so, it must be true. That reminds me of the old State Farm commercial involving the "French model". Now subtract the three college years that Lebron did not have to play and now he only has two more ASGs. It's sad that you have to resort to longevity because every other significant metric favors Jordan. You are a KU fan, should Sayers be in the HOF as he had very little longevity?

And that's yet another point in my favor on that issue. Where was the tournament in those years? KU absolutely should have claimed it like those.

They were the best team in 2020 and finished on the top of the polls as champions.

Well, they didn't and they aren't recognized as 2020 champions.

Well they're right about that. Everyone knows there is a distinction there. LeBron's ridiculous longevity is not the only reason why he's the GOAT, but it's certainly the biggest. Nobody has ever come close to being as good as him for as long as him. The guy just averaged a 30 point triple double in the WCFs in year 20 with a torn tendon in his foot.

GOAT stuff.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...020-polls.html

Check out who ended up #1 on the final polls.

Not even close to a real title.

That's neat. Ranking #1 on the AP poll at end of season =\= being National Champions of NCAA Basketball in 2020. Hence why Kansas doesn't claim to be and they aren't recognized as such.

They don't claim to be because they have too much pride as a historic program to do it. I don't have that problem.

They were the best team and finished as the best team as recognized by the AP and Coaches (who have recognized champions in college sports for decades and decades). Hence they were the champions of 2020.

The realest.

If you feel that strongly about it perhaps write a letter stating how you feel to them. But unfortunately as it stands now no, they aren't recognized or claim to be the NCAA Basketball Champions of 2020.

I don't need to write a letter to make the claim that they were champions of the 2020 season. I'm doing it here because it happened.

It is a perfectly logical position to take considering the history of college sports and their champions, one that nobody can actually refute.

Claiming KU is the 2020 national champion is dumber than the Jordan vs LeBron dick measuring contest

Well, except for the pesky fact they aren't actually recognized as 2020 Champions and the school doesn't claim it. That actually does completely refute the claim that Kansas was 2020 Champions.

Think Miami is going to steal a game tonight. Always a bit leery of teams that have sat this long this late into the season, regardless of sport.

Again, that's only because of program pride. I don't have that problem and I recognize it.

It is the only logical conclusion to make considering the history of NCAA sports.

So why doesn't the NCAA recognize them as Champions? That has nothing to do with 'program pride'.

Because they wrongly chose not to run their tournament. That being said, they should have and probably would do it now having had time to think about it.

In any case, I'm more than happy for KU to be AP and Coaches Poll champions.

Great stuff? Yeah. GOAT? Nope. Championships in which you were the most important person on your team trumps playing for a long time. Jordan did it for a long time as well and has the hardware to back it up. It wasn't like he was some sort of role player either. He was the focal point of that team. At this point you have become the Knowmo of Lebron. You believe what you want despite mounting evidence and only answer questions you think you can answer and win. When that fails you default to Twitter to save you.

Is Lebron good? Yup. Is he Top 10 all time? Yup. Is he the GOAT? Nope to anyone besides the most die hard Lebron groupies. I mean literally every argument you had for him has been smashed, so now you have defaulted to "longevity" as your go to. It is a bad look unless you are purposely trolling for the fun of it.

Man I really really really don't want Denver fans to have anything nice in their life. They need to go from the pain of a Finals loss right into the pain of a terrible season of russet ball.

Heat in 7!!

I definitely have no dog in the fight on this one. I am torn as I don't dislike the Nuggets, but your point is valid.

Too late for that. The Avalanche already won and the Nuggets probably will as well.

Yeah. Both teams are in that unspectacularly likable tier.

Bill Russell is the GOAT then, no? We need to be clear about the rules here.

I'm cheering for the Nuggets. They've been one of my teams since I was a kid.

Nuggets are a small market team with no expectations as a fan base. Having lived in Denver for seven years, the Nuggets became my adopted team. Go Nuggets!

No. I never used championships as the only basis for being the GOAT, nor will I ever. Jordan has plenty of other stats and accolades that support him being the GOAT. I do see what you are trying as deep down you have to know the longevity argument is silly at best, especially considering the difference between Lebron and Jordan is like two years (as you can't count Lebron's first three years).

A Denver team????? No no no no no no no.

What's next, you're both Cardinals fans?

So championships only count for as much as MJ fans want them to count then (which inevitably is enough to exclude LeBron but not enough to exclude Russell). Interesting how that works.

Reference post #4743 for additional reasons for why Jordan and not Lebron is the GOAT outside of just championships.

Ha, why yes I am. Cardinals, Chiefs, Nuggets.

Why do you hate Kansas City?

Yeah, no. I'm a long-time Royals fan, but I honestly don't follow baseball anymore.

Hard to follow the Royals when they are just so bad.

As a guy who grew up in they heyday of the ABA and remembers the ABA Denver Nuggets, I hope they win it.

They had incredible talent in the mid to late 70’s.

Dan Issel, David Thompson, Gus Gerard, Marvin “The Eraser” Webster. Larry Brown coached them for several years and they were a great team. They could never get over the hump. Lost in the NBA Conference semis a half dozen times.

They were so fun to watch.

Yep, the Royals have always been a disgrace. Best to ignore that franchise, I find.

No.

YOU need to remember them forever.

The rest of us get to ignore them.

He’ll never forget that Ben Rivera AB.

That poor trash can

Revere. Just like his namesake from the 1700s, he was involved in a great cause, trying to stop the Royals. Unfortunately, corruption and/or incompetence outside of his own control prevented that.

Just don't see how this Heat team wins more than 1 or 2.

You're being generous giving them any. They can't stop Jokic with man-on-man defense and the zone won't work against him at all.

Miami is too small at every position against Denver.

You're probably right.

Had posters of Fat Lever and Alex English.

That was an auto correction. I’ll never forget his name. A guy who had a chance to possibly force a game 7, and Jack Clark’ed it all up.

LMAO at Porter lying on the ground after that for the entire play

Brah your bitch ass would be out on FMLA for the full term before engaging short term disability then hiring an attorney if even a fraction of that happened to you

The Heat ranked 25th in offensive rating in the NBA this season. They are probably the worst team to make the Finals since the 1999 Knicks (who were 26th in offensive rating).

Getting touched by the side of Bam's arm on the face?

Jokic is just playing around at this point

denver looks pretty good lol

Not a bad start from those guys

Good luck Jimmy.

This is not going well

He could easily get 20 assists this game if he chooses.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Assists:<br><br> Nikola Jokic in the 1st half tonight: 10<br>Michael Jordan in the entire 1998 Finals: 14</p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1664444355849887745?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Somehow this just works its way back to LeBron.

Nobody really cares, KCC.

Thus far Butler seems to be shying away from the moment but a lot of game left

Don’t quite understand the heat not taking it to the hoop to attempt to draw a foul.

About this series? Yeah, I've noticed.

Whatever you say Barry

They're all too small and don't have anybody who can finish at the basket. It's the worst offensive team to play in the Finals in 25 years.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This NBA Finals has no historical significance. Nobody outside of DEN cares about Jokic&#39;s legacy. Nobody outside of MIA cares about Butler/Spo&#39;s legacy. It&#39;ll be forgotten about by everybody besides MIA &amp; DEN fans, much like Bucks-Suns 2021.<br><br>I will watch it anyway b/c I&#39;m a hero</p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1663621960037744644?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>