Also - it's nice to see Wesley Stokes re-enrolled at Mizzou.

I think they have a chance to be also, because they'll be able to run a different type of offense. But, I think with better coaching they could have done better with the players they had this season.

Unless KJ somehow finds his way back on the roster, it’s a deal

I was listening to Westwood one for the first part of the second half and they called it….with Arkansas’ front line athleticism, Hunter was a major liability on defense (until self hid him in the zone).

Djust didn’t have the horses this year. Give me some people who hate losing and for the love of god find the next mason or graham

It’s time for Self to move on.

I’m calling my shot at Point Guard. Braden Smith from Purdue.

Rumor was that he wanted more money last year. I’m sure this stuff gets around and guys are getting offers before they decide to transfer or not.

That’s the guy if Self can make it happen. Give him every penny.

I honestly can't remember a group since the 98-99 years when this squad was less fun to watch, and utterly lacking in any true leadership. Thank god baseball season is on the horizon... Go Royals! A team that might actually be legit fun to watch!

Let’s see what he does without the KJ and Harris loyalty guys anchoring him down first

Smith is a good player but if you thought Dickinson was limited athletically, Braden Smith is even worse.

He gets badly exposed by athletic guards.

Fine, but minimum elite 8 next year or he has to go.

If we get Flory back, he can at least have elite rim protection behind him.

Tiller at the 4 would probably help with that as well.

This season was completely on Bill's vision/roster construction yet again

We will see shortly if he truly can’t coach at the same level in this NIL era

I wouldn’t judge him until KJ/Harris are gone though, he was willing to go down with the ship with those guys and it was obvious from the beginning of the season that he would

Flory would have been playing 30+ minutes a game by February on basically any other team in the country

He was just stuck on KJ and Harris

I like the kid but they were always gonna be doomed as long as KJ remained a starter, I had the same concerns in the offseason even when we were gonna be ranked #1. He (and as it turned out, Harris) just made them way too easy to guard.

It’s not just NIL though.

It’s NIL + Transfer Portal + A Major Shift In How The Game Is Played

Those are 3 huge adjustments for an aging coach. I’m not sure it’s possible for a coach to be great in the previous and new era.

Transfer portal and NIL has us focked, maybe

I said it earlier in this thread but ben mccollum should be the next head coach to leave a legacy at ku

Oats

If we had the version of Storr that played tonight all season? That’s on Self, I suppose

Shitty end to a shitty season. Good riddance to this uninspired group. They really didn't deserve to advance with their play tonight and this season.

Hopefully Flory hangs around.

I haven't lost faith in Self. The bull shit social media take machine can **** off and root for K-State or Mizzou if they think he's so bad.

I actually figured the portal would be great for Self.

He used to seem like he knew the opponent better than they knew themselves. He was also pretty ruthless but diplomatic about recruiting over guys and talking them into leaving.

I figured that would lead to Self finding diamonds in the rough from other programs while constantly trimming the fat from his own.

Oddly enough seems like the opposite has happened.

So.... lock this awful thread now and you can create a new one with this in mind?

I wouldn’t lock this one yet. People need to vent a bit more here otherwise it’ll just carry over to the new one.

Aww, I was in the mood to ban people. :sulk:

Give us the weekend to vent

You can unban Ubeja then ban him again.

Take your frustration out on him.

Watch SJU lose tonight now

He dead.

Oh yeah. How could I forget about his encounter with the horny coyote in the toilet.

They’re not that good, so it’s possible

We’d have choked down the stretch had we played them though

I could care less how far they go in the tournament.

The barometer is what seed they get.

What a time for Hunter to have his worst game on the biggest stage.

See you later, dude.

From #1 overall preseason to....that

There's the legacy HD and Juan and KJ leave behind

I hope DP shoots the ball 25x a game next year, or just throws lobs to Flory.

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Somebody make a 2025/26 thread. I'm already forgetting about the scrubs Self made us watch.

Thank God I never have to see Hunter or Harris play another minute for ku

This might be the best I’ve ever taken a KU tourney loss.

The team was going nowhere even with a win. Wasn’t a major upset. Wasn’t a blowout. We get to move on.

Most painful KU losses of my conscious life ranked:

1. Syracuse 2003. Win and your champs. 3 point loss on 12-30 from the line.
2. VCU 2011. The field was wide open that year. Inexcusable loss to a team that barely made the tourney.
3. Northern Iowa 2010. Way too much talent on that team to lose so early. Really bad draw too.
4. Villanova 2016. The Graham foul still pisses me off. Ellis goes out on a total dud. Choked away a lead. That team could’ve won it all.
5. The Entire Tournament 2020. We can only imagine what could’ve been. One of the best KU teams ever has it ripped away. I bet Dayton fans take that one worse though.

No expectations and no hope makes for easy viewing in sports

What a clown. KU Basketball s the BEST thing to ever happen to that guy.

Yeah, that Syracuse loss hurt... everyone assumed they'd play Texas and when that didn't happened, every fiber of my being assumed KU was winning the NC.

Think I was more shocked by VCU than anything, I'd personally probably flip them with UNI.


I'd actually lean towards saying losing to UK in the NC game was the least I've cared about a tournament loss... it's been inevitable the past couple seasons, gave no ****s. However, on top of that it felt like an obligation to watch as I've been making it less and less of a priority.

That run years ago though, pulling a few games out of their ass, beating UNC in the tournament again, and then going up against an NBA team in the finals.... I opened a Boulevard Bourbon Barrel Quad and that game was as 'house money' as it'll ever get.

At least I enjoyed watching them get to that point... enjoyed the hell out of it. I'm basically relieved this shit is over, which I'd say is worse.

When I think about what makes a loss painful, a big part of the equation is “what would happen if the result were reversed?”.

This loss was really no big deal. This team was just losing to the next team it played anyway.

Syracuse is 1 because that should’ve been a Natty. It’s so damn rare to win one that letting one slip like that really sucks.

Kentucky in 12 was painful that day, because I was at KU at the time. I got over it quick.

‘11 is more painful than ‘10 to me, because ‘10 still needed to win a few more games. ‘11 should’ve been a Final Four minimum and maybe a Natty. That Final Four was weak.

I was down on Harris ever since that championship game against North Carolina. We had the trophy in our hand if we can just hold a 3 point lead with the ball and 4.6 seconds left. His dumbass immediately takes the inbound pass and steps out of bounds. I nearly pulled every hair out of my head and threw a shoe through the window. Lucky we still won that one.

Harris is a pothead. Or at least I hope he is, cause if he's sober, then he's just a dumbass.

How dare you forget 1996-97. Still not over it.

I was pretty young at the time.

I remember it, but it didn’t bother me too much.

Can we get a thread ban here please?

We also need to put an age restriction on all future KU threads. Must be 45 to participate.

My wife left me because I intentionally shaved my head bald, grew a goatee, and traded in both of our cars for a Camaro when I joined ChiefsPlanet.

Is that good enough?

As long as you watch the 97 team from start to finish, you're in. You might be the president after.

I gotta say, despite what anyone had to say about KJ, tearing his Achilles in his last game is ****ing awful

I'm just happy this let down of a season is over.

Wish the seniors the best whatever they end up doing post KU, but I won't miss any of them.

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Agreed.....
That one hurt almost as bad as 2003....

Exactly this

Really odd going into the tourney with no expectations and I know it’s sad but…. I’m not hurting too bad since they shit the bed early and I can just watch the rest as a college basketball fan

That one stung. The Michigan loss hurt too. The one in 2012-13 we had no business of losing. That turd Trey Burke.

The Bucknell/Bradley years sucked. But I chalked those up to when you're in it every year, you're gonna get got at times. It's happened to everybody.

yep.

Best team I've ever witnessed at KU. and that includes 2008 that won it all.

The Bucknell loss is up there for me. That game was ass.

That game was awful but the writing was kinda on the wall for that team. Never transitioned well from Roy to Bill with the four SRs. Huge divide between the SR and freshmans and Langford was playing on one leg.

96-97 was tough, but they ran into a really good Zona team. That one I have been able to justify as I got older.

2003 they choked away at the foul line. That one hurt. Soph. Langford was so good.

The Self years 2011 and 2010 are the head scratchers. Deep roster. Multiple NBA guys. Those two years will be the ones that keep Self up at night and also from being mentioned in the same breath as Roy and K.

Ha. I logged in expecting much worse. We literally had no ****ing expectations.

It's interesting to consider though, we're all like FUUUUUCK this. Imagine losing to Robert Morris. At home. In the first round. Of the NIT. Incredible.

So Harris and Dickenson stayed too long, right? Those dudes were just NOT hungry. Dickenson hasn't ever been athletic, but Harris regressed right? He's not the same player he was 2 years ago. Or am I crazy?

My theory is Harris is a pothead and lacks any drive.

What do you mean by stayed too long? Dickinson just had the best season of his college career and will never stop foot on a NBA court. Staying for him was always the obvious choice and we’d have been foolish not to accept a top 3 guy in college basketball back as well.

Harris also was never that good and his flaws were better hidden with superior talent around him (which this team lacked over the past two seasons). He did regress as far as a shooter this year though, which meant teams didn’t have to respect him as an offensive player at all.

I really thought he was the same player he's always been. Career high in points. Lowest turnover rate. Tied for highest 2 point percentage in his career. We just had no guys that could get their own bucket inside the arc and also had to overly rely on Hunter Dickinson and that isn't ever gonna work out.

Horrible year.

This all falls on Self and his merry band of drinking buddies. They whiffed on Anterio and Timberland. Turned around and whiffed on Griffen and Storr. Then after publicly stating he had 'some guys' we were all going to be excited about doubled down on KJ, Harris, and HD and had a revolving door for the final two spots.

HD is who he is. Really good on the block. Great passer. Can score at an elite clip and you knew he was going to be a liability on defense. You recruited him with the idea of building a program around him yet during his entire time here you never could find reliable shooters or guards who can break down a defense to get their own shot or create for others.

It is very easy to scape goat HD, Harris, and KJ for the recent trend of lack of success, and rightfully so, they have earned that, but Self runs that entire program, and he was ultimately the one who made every decision.

Best 2 things after yesterday....
We dont have to watch this shit team anymore.
We dont have to watch KCC suck Hunters Dick anymore.

Yeah that one hurt when it happened and felt like a crazy upset, but in reality it wasn't. That team had the #2 pick who had a very nice career, the 14th pick who was also had a decent career, and another guy who came back to college and was a first team all American. They beat 2 other 1 seeds. This wasn't like Northern Iowa where we lost and they promptly got beat by 25 in the next round. It was unfortunate that it happened and we were overall the better team, but that's like the best team losing to the third best team, not what Arizona was actually seeded.

What's kind of interesting is the Davidson game is actually the reverse. When it happened everyone was thinking "oh we finally didn't blow it against some crappy mid major" and Self got the monkey off his back. Now you look back and it's "oh we actually beat a top 10 NBA player of all time that's actually a great win".

Maybe that's right.

But what I mean by staying too long is those guys lost the drive. I think they didn't grind and it showed.

I think that's been mostly going on for two years, unfortunately... Dickinson clearly turned it on at the end of the season before falling flat on his face last night.

I'd bet Dickinson could be a turnover machine in a tournament game and not even score a single point in the 2nd half of a loss and he'd still be sucking him off.


....oh wait.

So this is the morning after the night that was and I can see by the post that we're still not feeling very good about ourselves.

BTA, we are! The whole season was a hand washing event!

I've been convinced that Self is the best coach in college basketball for a long time. Now, I'm not so sure.

Every coach in every sport has "their guys" that get playing time over more talented players. But.......every coach has to evolve their style to the current mentality of the players. Look at Reid, He is in charge of everything on the team. Was an old school coach. He evolved to try to make some fun within all the hard work and let them have input in the playbook.

If Self cant accept that he has to coach this generation of players differently than previous generations and how to handle the new system in college basketball of NIL and the transfer portal then he needs to retire or move on to Okie state.

The entire team lacked competitive fire for large portions of the season; it wasn’t just those two. This KU team spent most games just going through the motions.

The warning signs were there early when they just didn’t bother to even try at Creighton and especially Missouri. If you can’t even get up for a Missouri road game, that’a a problem.

Baylor airmailing that alley-oop pass into the 3rd row of the stands reminds me of someone.

Griffen also indicated this after the game last night but the team never truly recovered after that historic collapse against Houston (precipitated mostly by Mayo and Harris). They never executed down the stretch of any game after that and it just felt like they generally lacked confidence in big moments particularly after that point.

There were structural issues even despite that (starting two players that opposing teams simply didn’t guard put everyone else in a bad spot) but when you don’t play harder than anyone else and you don’t execute when it matters, it’s a pretty awful combination to have in a team.

I think they should have been the leaders and tone setters and the tone was a bad one

Imo, it was mostly due to subpar coaching. When the same bad tendencies are persistent all season, that's coaching.

Kansas senior forward KJ Adams Jr. sustained an Achilles injury late in Thursday's 79-72 loss to Arkansas, according to coach Bill Self.

"We're hopeful for the best tomorrow, but I'm not sure it's going to be great news," Self said. "It's one thing to lose the game, but to see him potentially lose a year on top of the game, that's a pretty big blow."

Lose a year? Is he referring to a year of his personal life for recovery?

Kind of an odd quote about a guy with no eligibility remaining.

I think he means a year of playing ball. He could have gone overseas and played and made some money.

I don't care what your silly stats say Hunter Dickinson is a piece of shit who along with Harris ruined the KU program the past two years. Those are two guys who just don't give a ****. I definitely don't want to see his jersey hung up in the rafters.