Oh and FWIW, Peyton threw 10 or more picks in every season except one. Just a little perspective.

What is it about you geno lovers that you have to be so hateful these are facts.


It's a well known fact the Rookie Qbs don't do well in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers sat for a couple of years. Eli sat. That's how a lot of teams do it they sit QBs because of it. It's a well known NFL thing guys

I really wanted to throw in the "mewling quim" bit but it didn't feel organic. Plus, lack of Loki av...

I should probably have told him that he wears a different chain, amiriteeeee?

Maybe it's because your "facts" aren't even correct and are anecdotal rather than aggregated data. Bitch.

You really are someone who should be lobotomized for science.

So you're the grammar police got it

And what NFL concepts do I not understand

I mean I'm not the one saying that 120 rushing yards a game is better then 122 like some of you people but again why let facts get in the way

FYP.

AWWW are they not the facts you like poor little Geno lover

Awww poor little geno lover

Don't bother factoring in things like schemes which are designed to substitute elaborately developed passing plays which are actually substitute running plays.

No they are actually inaccurate. As I pointed out above. Big Ben only threw 11 picks his rookie year, not 17.

Cry yerseff tah sleep on yer yuge pillah!!

And I will say again you geno lovers love to throw out stats until you don't like them there ok to use

And you want to talk about understanding schemes You don't understand Reids Schem or you wouldn't be crying about YPC but yet you still cry about it

You're right you got me I looked at the tds by mistake I can admit I was wrong there

I have a question, matt.

1) who is quicker? Jamaal Charles or Dexter McCluster?

THE WHOLE ****ING POINT of Reid's scheme is to maximize YAC.

Holy shit. You just can't get away with peddling your bullshit "facts" here you ****ing poser.

I don't know for sure It's not something I've ever really cared to look up

One reason we are 5-0 is because this defense just isn't taking it any more quarterback be damned. Our defense takes over ball games and are having unconsentual sex with out regard to the other teams QB in the backfield.

And when that happens you Geno lovers bash smith for having so many of his yards be YAC

That and there are not as many turnover which is an Improvement

Maybe if you actually watched a goddamned game of football you would understand the context of statistics.

I do watch the game I watch every one.

I care more about wins and losses the yards YPC YPA YAC and all that stuff that you go on and on about If we won that's a good day for me

Do you like the Georgia Bulldogs?

Don't watch College football much of all due to my extreme hating of the BCS might watch next year when the playoff system starts

Not really.

So, just to clarify from earlier.


1. You don't understand protections and how they relate to alignments and route concepts/combinations but you feel the need to assure us that Fisher has been average and isn't a major cause for concern.

2. You then use statistics that highlight none of those aspects and meekly shrug and say "**** off, Geno lovers" when people ask for more data.

3. Essentially, I'd wager that your knowledge of anything football related is akin to that of a 48 year old, drunk, overweight, wife beater from the South that learned about football from his "granpappy" and only knows the concepts of "run dat ball hard", "block bettah dammit" and "throw dat bahl shawt!!".

Care to pull up the stats from previous 2nd round picks through 5 games?


I'm seriously interested. I have no idea how they look.

No the word I was looking for is rape. Our defense rapes quarterbacks is why we are 5-0.

I don't pretend to be a football expert I don't get into all the stats and stuff you guys like to throw out. What matters most in wins and losses so far this team is 5-0 yet you people whine because it's not how you want to win and it's not who you want on the team

I wager that you think you know far more about football then what you really know. And that if you were ever to meet and talk football with an NFL coach you would learn that.

I watch The Chiefs to see them win unlike you who watches to see what you can spot in Alex smith to whine about and Eric Fisher to whine about because you can't get over they didn't draft who you wanted.

1. You never miss an opportunity to tell people how much more you know than them. How can you stand yourself?

So the fact that we are not turning the ball over has NOTHING to do with it. Cool story

Maybe, just maybe, I've already conversed with one.


Or many. Who knows?

Sure you have

And you never fail to miss an opportunity to hint at your envy.


ROFL. You truly are worthy of pity, much like your dear friend BlackBob.

They're pretty rare, much like the Korean Unicorns of the northern variety but I assure you, they do exist and you can indeed communicate with them.

Yep You can

I just think that anyone So smart would understand the fact that NFL coaches don't like to play rookie QBs and that rookie QBs tend to struggle. Peyton Manning is the best example one can give. He threw more picks then tds only once people like you would have ran him out of town. I'm sure many Colts fans would agree on that. Well I guess that depends if you would have liked him I mean rookies you like get time rookies you don't have to be finished NFL products day 1

Hahaha

We would be the ones to run him out of town?

WTF, we aren't the ones downplaying everything rookie quarterbacks have done.

It's not real hard to understand but then again you want

3-2 11 turnovers more then

5-0 3 turnovers

And I'm the stupid one?

Like I said it depends if you liked him coming out of college Guys that you guys like get time to develop guys you don't must be all pros day 1

Oh for the love of god use a comma.

Lost cause bruh /Charlize Theron

This thread is a lost cause

Totes.

Bebz

I meant to PM this vid to you the other day.

I saw this Oz fella go after a decent sized goanna (who had no idea WTF he has doing) and got the **** clawed out of his arms/legs. Hilarious.

As someone who has had the **** clawed out of them from goannas before, I thought he deserved it. However, he was a little bitch and was crying/moaning the whole time.


In the official handbook, you get 2 short yelps or 1 scream (if you're dealing with a Croc monitor or Komodo, this is the correct option).

Honest question, what would your thoughts be if we drafted Bray in the third?

heh

You're the one crying and moaning Not me

This team is 5-0 yet you keep crying because the qb isn't who you want

And hate to tell you people this MOST chiefs fans would be calling you stupid not me.

Can you show us which one you are?

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/truestfans.gif

What a novel concept Chiefs fans cheering there team instead of whining that they didn't get there way hmmmm wounder why they would do that

Ahh Matt, you're the type of guy that will eat a shit sandwich smile and tell everyone how great it is because ma made it.

Umm, like, really smart people who actually understand professional football in the modern era and stuff.


Serious business.

Umm, Like,really smart people who actually understand football would understand that 5-0 is good in and era and wouldn't be crying

Um like really smart people understand that even 9-0 teams bow out of the playoffs in the 1st round because of weaknesses on the team. I'm guessing you are a yougin and don't know much about Chief playoff history, yes?

You understand it's still possible to be a fan and cheer the team and be critical at the same time, right?

And have we bowed out of the playoffs yet?

Unlike you who has us already down and yet despite the fact we are unbeaten I don't pretend to know what's going to happen. I let it happen I don't whine before hand

And I have seen every playoff game since 95 I have been there for all the losses

Guessing wrong. Every bit of every game since Neil Smith was drafted [though I started watching b/c of Dino Hackett, not Neil].

I wasn't referring to you. Your join date speaks for itself.

Good, so you understand this is a flawed team right? Did you think it was okay to complain about the shitty defense in 03 when the team was 9-0?

This board has a lot of people on it that are critical thinkers and don't love up every player, coach, or personel guy on the team. There are some that do wear their red and yellow undies every day, but not everyone. If you are looking for a board of super homers this isn't the place for you.

The sad part is that you have a child at all. I weep for the future.

What has conveniently been left out of all the Fisher struggles is that the rook had been playing with injuries to his shoulder and hand... plus, playing on the right side instead of left. People make so much of this 1.1 selection, but yet, most acknowledge that this was a very weak draft at the top. Oh well.. tough luck, KC.. not the only team that got stuck like that.

Yeah, that's pretty extreme indeed. He has sucked badly at times, but has shown some good also. Yet to you, he has been a disaster, and that still doesn't stop you from bashing the QB that this disaster of an OT is protecting?

So, in your mind, the hate for your team's F/O decisions leaks down to the fans that are willing to see if the rookie can get it together and improve? Yeah, that's brilliant. Pout, pout, pout about "what could have been." Could have had Geno, and all those turnovers wouldn't have affected the 5-0 record? or are you saying you would rather a shittier record on the off chance that one day, Geno could be the QboTF that keeps you winning... which is unlike the current QB who leads every QB in win % over the last 3 seasons. Hmmm....

Good for you. That's a recipe for an enjoyable season. The others that want to cherry-pick stats and cry all day simply can not enjoy the team's success as profoundly... and it's their loss. They are too busy trying to be "experts" on a message board to impress other anonymous message board users... who is the joke there?


The sad part of all this? Last night, I went out and had drinks with friends.. came back and spent quality sexual time with the Mrs.. got a great night of sleep in.. and what did all of you do? Sat around sniping insults at other anonymous posters on a forum.

Pathetic... but better than the comics section to read through with my a.m. coffee! :)

No I don't understand this team is flawed.

You see what you all knowing Geno Lovers don't understand is that this is still an offense that's growing. Alex Smith is in his first year in a new system, He's learning it you don't just get in and go for the most part. I again will give the Trent Green example. First year struggled but after that best offense in the NFL. You people would have ran him out of town year 1. That sure would've been smart right?

The offense has to get better across the board. No one can say otherwise. But I won't say that isn't possible this year

yep... KC offense ranked 14th right now.. down from 11th, but hey, the Titans D is pretty legit. Nothing terrible about 14th ranked in efficiency. Not where they need to be.. so yes, there are flaws that need fixing... but still.

Honest question. Fisher was about 230lb when he graduated HS. He has to eat like a ****ing horse to maintain his weight so he isn't as naturally big as most guards and tackles. Do you think that might figure into him having injuries and early struggles?

I believe it was Nate Newton that talked about him not wearing at the end of the game because of his naturual size and strength as opposed to guys that were naturually smaller and weight room warriors. I don't know how much truth there is to that, but it's interesting.

There they are.

Look at some of the other teams with new HC's and systems across the league. Chargers offense has looked good at times, Bears offense has as well, Philly's offense is pretty ****in good, hell, even the Browns offense has had its moments. They are all new systems under new HC's. Why can they hit the ground running but our team with all its talent can't? I can think of a pretty important reason and that is that the QB Reid hand-chose is total dogshit.

Could be. Not sure any of us can do more than speculate on that. One thing I am sure we all know.. Fisher can get stronger. He is a true LT playing RT, and being a currently lighter, weaker guy can and is causing some struggles.

Perhaps the Chiefs had strongly planned on trading Albert... so they drafted their new LT... but were disappointed in the value offered in trade. So instead, they keep Albert for the year at LT and try their 1.1 at RT... with full expectation of moving back to LT when Albert walks away for the FA market payday. Not an awful plan... particularly if they rated Fisher higher on their board than the rest.

And this team has also had it's moments like in the 4th qtrs when they have gone down the field on BIG DRIVES and WON THE GAME or PUT THE GAME AWAY but why mention that? I mean that doesn't count for anything right?

You don't understand what Alex Smith is then. He's doing now what he always has.

Trent Green only had 24 NFL starts before the Chiefs traded for him so there was room for growth, especially on a team void of talent on both sides of the ball. Alex Smith just is what he is and that's an avg QB.

Have you noticed the common theme in those drives? With the exception of a few passes, most of those drives are run plays to Charles. Taking the ball away from his QB is winning us games.

Alex Smith the last few years has been if nothing else a WINNER. Higher winning % then just about everyone.

Isn't wins what counts

Hell they would have gone to the superbowl if they had a kick returner who could catch the ball.

the nerve of using the RB...if only it could be the center and the QB..THEN those game winning drives would have merit.

What you say is true.. but how long was Alex left alone in a scheme over his career? 2 years... well, 1.5 really.

When a QB starts a new scheme with a perceived strong defense and STs... it makes sense that the offense will walk before the run. You leave everything roughly the same going into yr 2, and then you can toy around with more aggression... yr 3... more aggression and interesting wrinkles added... and so on.

Like it or hate it... Alex really makes a lot of sense for the Chiefs to evolve that new offense. Now whether Alex takes the pass game to the next level needed? Hey, that's fair to guess on... but not fair to condemn the chances of.

Yes but there's also Smith who has had to make plays on those drives like the long strike to Avery last game Charles gets credit to but Smith also gets credit he has done his fair share on those drives as well It's a team game every one pitches in on those drives

This is actually false.

Against Dallas, when they jumped up to a 14-13 lead in the 3rd Q, the drive that led us back...

1st and 10 at KC 20 (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short right to D.Bowe to KC 29 for 9 yards (B.Carr).
2nd and 1 at KC 29 J.Charles right tackle to KC 31 for 2 yards (J.Hatcher).
1st and 10 at KC 31 (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short right to D.Avery.
2nd and 10 at KC 31 (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass short right to J.Charles to KC 32 for 1 yard (B.Church).
Timeout #1 by KC at 05:09.
3rd and 9 at KC 32 (Shotgun) A.Smith pass deep right to D.Avery to DAL 37 for 31 yards (W.Allen).
1st and 10 at DAL 37 (No Huddle) J.Charles right end to DAL 36 for 1 yard (J.Hatcher).
2nd and 9 at DAL 36 (No Huddle) A.Smith pass short left to J.Charles pushed ob at DAL 26 for 10 yards (B.Carter).
1st and 10 at DAL 26 (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short right to D.Bowe.
2nd and 10 at DAL 26 (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short middle to A.Fasano to DAL 12 for 14 yards (B.Church).
1st and 10 at DAL 12 (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short middle to D.Bowe for 12 yards, TOUCHDOWN. KC-A.Fasano was injured during the play.


That's 8 passes and 2 runs.... thoughts on that?



Now to the other game where we needed the lead back... Titans

When the Titans scored their 4th quarter TD, they led 17-13.

First drive failed with 2 passes and 3 runs.
The next TD drive that put us back on top?

1st and 10 at KC 34 A.Smith pass incomplete short left to S.McGrath.
2nd and 10 at KC 34 A.Smith pass deep left to D.Bowe ran ob at TEN 49 for 17 yards.
1st and 10 at TEN 49 J.Charles up the middle to TEN 47 for 2 yards (J.Casey).
2nd and 8 at TEN 47 A.Smith pass short right to S.McGrath to TEN 44 for 3 yards (J.McCourty).
3rd and 5 at TEN 44 (Shotgun) A.Smith scrambles right end pushed ob at TEN 42 for 2 yards (M.Fokou). PENALTY on TEN-M.Fokou, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at TEN 42.
1st and 10 at TEN 27 (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short left to J.Charles to TEN 18 for 9 yards (T.Campbell).
2nd and 1 at TEN 18 J.Charles left end to TEN 16 for 2 yards (G.Wilson; M.Griffin).
1st and 10 at TEN 16 (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short right to A.Sherman to TEN 8 for 8 yards (G.Wilson; Z.Brown).
2nd and 2 at TEN 8 (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short left to D.Bowe to TEN 1 for 7 yards (M.Griffin).
1st and 1 at TEN 1 A.Smith pass incomplete short right to D.Bowe. PENALTY on TEN-G.Wilson, Defensive Pass Interference, 0 yards, enforced at TEN 1 - No Play.
1st and 1 at TEN 1 J.Charles left tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.


Now that is 7 passes and 3 runs... plus another Alex run, which was a huge conversion due to penalty.

Thoughts on that?



You ready to eat your words and apologize for getting that shit wrong, Snapplez? Man up!

As others pointed out it's not taking other QB's that long.. Rivers and Cutler for example tearing it up this year.

What I think Alex makes sense as is a stop gap QB while they search for/develop that guy that can take the offense to the next level.

Watch out you showed facts that don't support the geno lovers you're clearly stupid for showing those facts LMAO

Rivers and Cutler are both also not getting in tune with a brand new team that also is pointed out.

If Alex doesn't improve Then I would say he's a stop gap. That's something that will depend on how the offense grows or doesn't grow

Yeah man... both mentioned QBs are doing much better than they had been prior. Good on them... though IIRC, both have been turning the ball over at critical times that cost their teams. Would you agree to that?

I get it. Flashier QBs that make big plays... but there is a con there that can really hurt a team.

LMAO

LMAO Disingenuous.