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Sorter 09-03-2013 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9934882)
When teams move bigger WR to slot (Calvin Johnson for example) they can also play match ups on defense and move another CB to cover the slot.

People act like the defense is set in stone and cant move guys around as well.

This isn't an issue uniquie to KC hell look at the AFCW, how many teams have 3 above average CB's? What about 4 when teams go 4 wide?

With most teams, you'll typically see their next best coverage player (ILB, S, D), which is why there's so much variety in sub personnel throughout the league.

Sorter 09-03-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9934896)
Webb isn't a nickel for the ravens I thought?

He moves inside quite a bit, surprisingly. They really like his ability as a blitzer in addition to his skills in coverage.

Pretty talented player. Hope his ACL holds up because he's pretty fun to watch.

Rausch 09-03-2013 07:43 AM

The question is will we have a RCB and LCB (dedicated to one side of the field) like last year or will they be moving around?

Mother****erJones 09-03-2013 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9934898)
He moves inside quite a bit, surprisingly. They really like his ability as a blitzer in addition to his skills in coverage.

Pretty talented player. Hope his ACL holds up because he's pretty fun to watch.

Oh ok. I don't pay attention I just know he's their no.1 CB

Red Gorilla 09-03-2013 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9934899)
The question is will we have a RCB and LCB (dedicated to one side of the field) like last year or will they be moving around?

That's the million dollar question but, it looks like they'll be moving them around when you look at the signings.

Sorter 09-03-2013 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Gorilla (Post 9934892)
I disagree and think he was a good signing. I bet he's the fastest CB on our roster. He is still really fast. He is fantastic against the run. He is a bump and run CB and we are clearly moving in that direction. That's why we signed Cooper and let Brown go. Switching to bump and run coverage might end up being the biggest change in our defense.

LMAO

No it isn't. The two biggest changes you're going to see with this defense is the addition of quite a few different fronts (that were not used or used with great infrequency) such as your reduce, over-ed, under, 46, and storm fronts (all Sutton/Rex terminology).

The second biggest addition is the utilization of fire-zone concepts from the majority of those fronts, especially out of "odd", "under" and "rock/laser". This one is probably the one I'm more giddy about.

You're still going to see quite a bit of zone, especially more quarters and cover 6. Keep in mind that Romeo's philosophy stems from Parcells/Belichick, in which the primary principles are to play zone coverage on 1st-2nd down (typically) and tight, press man on 3rd. It's literally one of the first thing in Saban's PBs at both LSU and Bama.

Sorter 09-03-2013 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9934899)
The question is will we have a RCB and LCB (dedicated to one side of the field) like last year or will they be moving around?

I know that typically in both Ryan's defenses, it doesn't change.

However, it's impossible to say, especially with them giving Flowers work in the slot during OTAs (and possibly TC, I just have no idea and we probably should have had someone who was there pay attention for it). I haven't noticed Smith playing anything but RCB but again, I haven't examined any of it too thoroughly.

Red Gorilla 09-03-2013 08:00 AM

I didn't say bump and run was the only change but, it could be the biggest imo. Yeah, we are going to rush the passer and blitz a lot more. We are going to blitz with the d-linemen.

But, in the past decade, two teams have consistently ran the bump and run. The Packers when they had Harris and MacKenzie and more recently the Jets with Revis and Cromartie.

Bump and Run defenses are rare now a days. When we line up in the base defenses (3-4, 46, etc.) and the nickel, we'll be running bump and run more often than not. Also, I'm not saying we won't see some zone. Everyone runs zone a good bit.

Sorter 09-03-2013 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Gorilla (Post 9934927)
I didn't say bump and run was the only change but, it could be the biggest imo. Yeah, we are going to rush the passer and blitz a lot more. We are going to blitz with the d-linemen.

But, in the past decade, two teams have consistently ran the bump and run. The Packers when they had Harris and MacKenzie and more recently the Jets with Revis and Cromartie.

Bump and Run defenses are rare now a days. When we line up in the base defenses (3-4, 46, etc.) and the nickel, we'll be running bump and run more often than not. Also, I'm not saying we won't see some zone. Everyone runs zone a good bit.

No, they are not.

Plenty of teams play bump and run out of base fronts. Additionally, out of the two non sub-packages from Rex/Sutton (Base and Titan), you're only seeing C1 man with 46 Single and Under Sam You 1. For every other front, you're going to typically see quarters, c6, c3, c2, and the last two with FZ concepts.

Red Gorilla 09-03-2013 08:15 AM

Teams don't consistently run bump and run coverage like we are going to. I didn't say nobody does it. I'm just saying teams rarely hang their hat on it anymore.

I have to disagree with you man. It's a simple concept. No need to show off.

Sorter 09-03-2013 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Gorilla (Post 9934955)
Teams don't consistently run bump and run coverage like we are going to. I didn't say nobody does it. I'm just saying teams rarely hang their hat on it anymore.

I have to disagree with you man. It's a simple concept. No need to show off.

Nobody is showing off. You're simply wrong. There are 3 teams from the same tree that use the exact same terminology, near exact same installs and principles in the Saints, Jets and Chiefs. Additionally, the Rams and Titans use similar philosophies as well.

Mother****erJones 09-03-2013 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9934898)
He moves inside quite a bit, surprisingly. They really like his ability as a blitzer in addition to his skills in coverage.

Pretty talented player. Hope his ACL holds up because he's pretty fun to watch.

This is why I think Baltimore is improved, get him healthy if he is. Get healthy Suggs and now dumervil oppo of Suggs. Now they have lost leadership in Lewis and Reed. Still like their defense and now Arthur Brown added will be nice for their defense. Offensively remains to be seen

Sorter 09-03-2013 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9934964)
This is why I think Baltimore is improved, get him healthy if he is. Get healthy Suggs and now dummervil oppo of Suggs. Now they have lost leadership in Lewis and Reed. Still like their defense and now Arthur Brown added will be nice for their defense. Offensively remains to be seen

Canty, if he can stay healthy is going to be exceptionally beneficial for that team.

Mother****erJones 09-03-2013 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9934970)
Canty, if he can stay healthy is going to be exceptionally beneficial for that team.

Ya forgot about him.

L.A. Chieffan 09-03-2013 08:38 AM

I kinda liked that Bellamy kid.


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