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O.city 08-02-2016 01:48 PM

Has there been any more info about Houston released?

Kiimo 08-02-2016 01:48 PM

Yeah he has bad form there. Then again I wonder if any of our corners are trying to cover Hill with good form. You're supposed to back pedal until he penetrates the cushion (ahem) and then turn your hips to follow. That corner is respecting his speed and just starting out with the turn.

That cut will be open all day if guys do that.

O.city 08-02-2016 01:49 PM

That's what speed does.

Guys start flipping hips at the snap and you've got an 8 yard completion any time you want.

Just like Antonio brown does to guys every sunday

Mr_Tomahawk 08-02-2016 02:00 PM

We're probably going to win all the super bowls.

DJ's left nut 08-02-2016 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12347825)
Yup. Like Bray to Robinson here in the second part of this video:

https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/760559787486699520

Yup; the throw from Bray is textbook. At worst, if he underthrows it, Robinson can use his body to shield the DB and get nice yardage even if it isn't a catch and run (hell, it's likely to be a PI as often as not).

O.city 08-02-2016 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12347861)
Yup; the throw from Bray is textbook. At worst, if he underthrows it, Robinson can use his body to shield the DB and get nice yardage even if it isn't a catch and run (hell, it's likely to be a PI as often as not).

Nitpicky, but he actually threw it a little to far up the field. If it's in fact a post, the wr had to turn up field a little more than usual.

Of course he may have been trying to keep it away from the safety more.

DJ's left nut 08-02-2016 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 12347846)
Yeah he has bad form there. Then again I wonder if any of our corners are trying to cover Hill with good form. You're supposed to back pedal until he penetrates the cushion (ahem) and then turn your hips to follow. That corner is respecting his speed and just starting out with the turn.

That cut will be open all day if guys do that.

It's a reality of that kind of speed, though.

One thing I always did well was I could plant and cut hard with the best of them....because I was slow as shit. I just didn't have much speed to bleed off so it was easy to hammer that foot down and turn off it.

Hill's speed out of the blocks is so good that it takes him a bit to bleed it off. So he can either throw in another foot fire there (giving the DB some time to close down his hips and drive) or he can make the turn with a little more speed. If he chooses the latter, there's just not a very good way to keep from rounding it off. **** you, physics.

He actually does a pretty impressive job of getting himself slowed quickly enough to make an okay turn and convert that directly into acceleration. That's athletic ability that you can't teach or develop in any sort of training regimen. You're born with that shit or you aren't.

It's gonna be a shame when karma blows his knees out.

DJ's left nut 08-02-2016 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12347863)
Nitpicky, but he actually threw it a little to far up the field. If it's in fact a post, the wr had to turn up field a little more than usual.

Of course he may have been trying to keep it away from the safety more.

But that's what loft will get you; margin for error. Yeah, he may have thrown it too far up the field, but there was so much air under it that Robinson could run under it still.

That's exactly my point. The worst case scenario there went from an incompletion (if Alex throws that dart 3 yards wide like Bray did, it's incomplete) to merely a route adjustment that may have taken him towards a safety and gotten him tackled after a big gain, instead of towards open ground and a TD. The respective worst cases are night and day.

O.city 08-02-2016 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12347869)
It's a reality of that kind of speed, though.

One thing I always did well was I could plant and cut hard with the best of them....because I was slow as shit. I just didn't have much speed to bleed off so it was easy to hammer that foot down and turn off it.

Hill's speed out of the blocks is so good that it takes him a bit to bleed it off. So he can either throw in another foot fire there (giving the DB some time to close down his hips and drive) or he can make the turn with a little more speed. If he chooses the latter, there's just not a very good way to keep from rounding it off. **** you, physics.

He actually does a pretty impressive job of getting himself slowed quickly enough to make an okay turn and convert that directly into acceleration. That's athletic ability that you can't teach or develop in any sort of training regimen. You're born with that shit or you aren't.

It's gonna be a shame when karma blows his knees out.

That's also why I don't have alot of confidence in Conley being really great in this system. It's physically tough to be a technician at that size.

But he seems to be having a good camp

DJ's left nut 08-02-2016 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12347874)
That's also why I don't have alot of confidence in Conley being really great in this system. It's physically tough to be a technician at that size.

But he seems to be having a good camp

His feet have worried me since we drafted him. It's a legit concern and if he fails, that will be why.

He's more of a change of pace player in this system, IMO; A 4th WR that you put in to keep defenses honest. Maybe a red zone guy that you send on drags.

There are systems he would work well in - vertical heavy systems like the Giants come immediately to mind. But I still question how well he fits in a true WCO.

ct 08-02-2016 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 12346944)
Well that's neat, but they didn't get the value they should have got.

If you're still looking at the old cowboy trade value chart, burn it, that thing is dead

O.city 08-02-2016 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12347881)
His feet have worried me since we drafted him. It's a legit concern and if he fails, that will be why.

He's more of a change of pace player in this system, IMO; A 4th WR that you put in to keep defenses honest. Maybe a red zone guy that you send on drags.

There are systems he would work well in - vertical heavy systems like the Giants come immediately to mind. But I still question how well he fits in a true WCO.

I'd think he could make hay running those deep posts and such that Jackson ran accross from maclin in philly, but hill probably fits that better

ThaVirus 08-02-2016 02:37 PM

****2016 Chiefs Training Camp Thread****
 
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12347793)


Looks like Alex's deep ball hasn't improved.

At least we've got a guy that even he can't overthrow..

O.city 08-02-2016 02:41 PM

https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/760572404062154754

Little poe LDT dustup

thabear04 08-02-2016 02:46 PM

Here is Darrin Reaves from earlier today. Strong day for him.#ChiefsCamp


https://mobile.twitter.com/Jacobs71/...71923365523456


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