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duncan_idaho 12-06-2015 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 11931627)
Anyway to maybe start utilizing starting pitchers that pitch about 5 innings without killing your pen over the course of the year? Wasnt Tampa trying something like that?


Biggest question/problem would be how you handled it on days when your SP gave you two or three. Would blow out your pen.

But yeah, limiting SPs to two times through the order could work, as long as you have two long relief types you can rely upon, and as long as the back of your pen is deep.

BigCatDaddy 12-06-2015 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11932104)
Biggest question/problem would be how you handled it on days when your SP gave you two or three. Would blow out your pen.

But yeah, limiting SPs to two times through the order could work, as long as you have two long relief types you can rely upon, and as long as the back of your pen is deep.

Thanks. Just trying to think outside the box as the next trend in baseball.

KChiefs1 12-06-2015 06:14 PM

Detroit signs Saltalamachia

ROYC75 12-06-2015 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 11930118)
Ryan Madson has agreed to a 3-yr, $22M deal with #Athletics pending physical, source says.

W/ Royals = New life & a WS ring.
W/ Athletics = Getting paid for the work he did as a Royal.

duncan_idaho 12-06-2015 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 11933755)
Thanks. Just trying to think outside the box as the next trend in baseball.

I think it's coming. The data on guys going through the lineup a third time is just too compelling for something like that to NOT happen (just like the data was too compelling to NOT use a dedicated relief ace, who was more than just a failed starter, instead of letting your tired SP throw another inning or two).

It's tough to construct with a five-man rotation/25-man roster, though.

So your SP is never giving you more than six, and a lot of times only 4-5. That means you need to have four guys in your pen you can trust to throw single innings that are leveraged, and three guys you can roll out for 2-3 innings at a time (who can then pitch again two days later).

That's a tough thing to make work on a consistent basis.

Saul Good 12-06-2015 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11933969)
I think it's coming. The data on guys going through the lineup a third time is just too compelling for something like that to NOT happen (just like the data was too compelling to NOT use a dedicated relief ace, who was more than just a failed starter, instead of letting your tired SP throw another inning or two).

It's tough to construct with a five-man rotation/25-man roster, though.

So your SP is never giving you more than six, and a lot of times only 4-5. That means you need to have four guys in your pen you can trust to throw single innings that are leveraged, and three guys you can roll out for 2-3 innings at a time (who can then pitch again two days later).

That's a tough thing to make work on a consistent basis.

I think we will see expanded rosters in baseball in a future CBA.

tk13 12-06-2015 06:38 PM

I'm admittedly not a huge fan of thinking that strategy will work. You get about 800 IP out of your starters if you go 5 IP a game. You need about 600-700 IP out of your bullpen then. You can do it but you need a real deep pitching staff. People already get nervous when we bring in our 5th, 6th, 7th relievers. You really need to lean on them in this scenario.

Sure-Oz 12-06-2015 07:35 PM

@Joelsherman1: #Royals have not given up on re-signing Alex Gordon. Still waiting for OF market to fully define.

mr. tegu 12-06-2015 08:00 PM

I am very pleased to see Young resigned. I figured he would get a two year contract similar to what Chen was resigned for after his first few one year deals he was on here.

Prison Bitch 12-06-2015 08:22 PM

Kazmir has Jason Vargas written all over him. Good year 1, then most likely shit afterwards.

duncan_idaho 12-06-2015 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11934559)
Kazmir has Jason Vargas written all over him. Good year 1, then most likely shit afterwards.


Entirely different players/upsides, though.

And you run that risk with any free agent, especially pitchers, because you're for the most part signing older guys.

Al Bundy 12-06-2015 08:48 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/royalsreview">@royalsreview</a> Chris Young is on my flight from Dallas to KC as we speak. Maybe the rumors are true!</p>&mdash; Greg Hunsucker (@GregHunsucker) <a href="https://twitter.com/GregHunsucker/status/673690726245371904">December 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Mr. Laz 12-06-2015 08:49 PM

Royals pursuing Scott Kazmir, close to deal for Chris Young

Prison Bitch 12-06-2015 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11934618)
Entirely different players/upsides, though.

And you run that risk with any free agent, especially pitchers, because you're for the most part signing older guys.

I guess I don't understand why we can't develop any starting pitching. Yes we gave up some to get Shields and Cueto/Zo but man....where are the starters? And they don't have to be premium arms like Zimmer or Almonte. Surely there's a Jesse Chavez somewhere (like, once in KC!). Or Liam Hendricks who I wanted to see kept in AAA not released.


Cameron has Kazmir 3/48 and the crowd has 3/42. I'll just assume it'll come in ~50. That's a helluva price to pay for not developing any starters.

siberian khatru 12-06-2015 08:57 PM

Rany has proposed a deal for Shelby Miller centering around Mondesi. Thoughts?


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