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Sandy Vagina 07-23-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9828914)
Oh cool, another niner jackass coming in here spreading lies. Over the past two years, he targeted Crabtree more than Anyone else. Besides Crabtree who was he supposed to be throwing to? Vernon Davis is a top 5 tight end in the league. IN 2011, he targeted Crabtree, 121 times, he only targeted Vernon Davis, and DELANIE WALKER, 107 times total.

SO you were saying?

Oh, and another thing. Yes, the 49ers were horrible on third down with alex smith. The funny thing is, they weren't that much better with Kaep on third down....and he completely ignored Vernon Davis until the playoffs. So, whats the effing difference. So, as you were.

He said some fair things, but yeah, you could tell that he is still holding onto an outdated outlook on Alex in some regards.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-23-2013 09:54 AM

Tattoo Boy was shit on 3rd down too. Playcalling to protect the ball?

Hammock Parties 07-23-2013 09:55 AM

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He' accurate throwing to the middle of the field.
Ugh. This guy can't throw outside the hash marks, either?

That's only every QB we've ever had since Montana, it seems.

Hammock Parties 07-23-2013 09:55 AM

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He's just completely horrible on third down. We were one of the worst teams on third down with him behind center. He will routinely throw the ball short of the sticks on 3rd down.
Thanks. It's good to hear this from a 49ers fan. Suspicions confirmed.

Sandy Vagina 07-23-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9828921)
Tattoo Boy was shit on 3rd down too. Playcalling to protect the ball?


Can't stress enough how much our developing offense and playcalling was the largest issue for our RZ and 3rd down issues. Can't force people to accept this, however.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-23-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9828928)
Can't stress enough how much our developing offense and playcalling was the largest issue for our RZ and 3rd down issues. Can't force people to accept this, however.


Guessing a lot of draws and screens then with both QBs on 3rd and long?

Sandy Vagina 07-23-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9828934)
Guessing a lot of draws and screens then with both QBs on 3rd and long?

Bingo. Plenty were clever clear-outs over the middle... but unless the target gets above-and-beyond (unexpected) YAC? It's simply a way to garner better field position. Very cautious football. And in the RZ? 2 straight and obvious runs... then a QB rollout on 3rd down and frequent throw-away when targets are blanketed. There was an article posted a long while back that our coaches preferred and pushed for sacks + throw-aways VS forcing a turnover.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-23-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9828947)
Bingo. Plenty were clever clear-outs over the middle... but unless the target gets above-and-beyond (unexpected) YAC? It's simply a way to garner better field position. Very cautious football. And in the RZ? 2 straight and obvious runs... then a QB rollout on 3rd down and frequent throw-away when targets are blanketed. There was an article posted a long while back that our coaches preferred and pushed for sacks + throw-aways VS forcing a turnover.

Pretty much coincides with what I saw when I watched the 9ers play under Harbaugh. The problem is the Madden Nation ballas/fantasy football dweebs won't hear anything of just how important and how many games are decided by turnover differential in today's game. Like the top 8 teams in the NFC in turnover differential had winning records.

9er guy 07-23-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9828914)
Oh cool, another niner jackass coming in here spreading lies. Over the past two years, he targeted Crabtree more than Anyone else. Besides Crabtree who was he supposed to be throwing to? Vernon Davis is a top 5 tight end in the league. IN 2011, he targeted Crabtree, 121 times, he only targeted Vernon Davis, and DELANIE WALKER, 107 times total.

SO you were saying?

Oh, and another thing. Yes, the 49ers were horrible on third down with alex smith. The funny thing is, they weren't that much better with Kaep on third down....and he completely ignored Vernon Davis until the playoffs. So, whats the effing difference. So, as you were.

I have 114 for the regular season. Good for 30th in the league.

Crabtree was an after thought in this offense. I don't think we utilized him well at all.

It was Run, Vernon, Run. Run, Screen pass, run. Then maaaybe a throw to Crab. I'm telling you man.

All those targets didn't amount to anything because Crab and Smitty never really got on the same page. More than a few of them were errant passes that either Crab had to grab and fall or just couldn't catch. You can target somebody all you want. But if there's no plays being made, then it doesn't really matter. There's a reason he turned into a 1,000 yard guy when Kaep came on.

All I know is in the NFCCG we had 1 completion to a WR and we were 1-13 on third down.

I'm sure some of his games are on Youtube. You can see what I'm talking about in real time.

9er guy 07-23-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9828919)
He said some fair things, but yeah, you could tell that he is still holding onto an outdated outlook on Alex in some regards.

Naw man. Not at all. He' come a LOOOOONG WAAAY. But there's some things he just doesn't do that well.

I've watched pretty much every game he'e ever played.

He's one of those guys where:

The best thing about him is you know exactly what you're going to get.

The worst thing about him? You know EXACTLY what you're going to get.

Hammock Parties 07-23-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9828962)
I have 114 for the regular season. Good for 30th in the league.

Crabtree was an after thought in this offense. I don't think we utilized him well at all.

The cold hard stats are hard to accept for some...Alex Smith dislikes those wide receiver guys...

http://i.imgur.com/Nzuguy6.jpg

Sandy Vagina 07-23-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9828954)
Pretty much coincides with what I saw when I watched the 9ers play under Harbaugh. The problem is the Madden Nation ballas/fantasy football dweebs won't hear anything of just how important and how many games are decided by turnover differential in today's game. Like the top 8 teams in the NFC in turnover differential had winning records.

Completely agree. Many don't have the mental aptitude to appreciate turnover differentials and field position/situational football. 3rd and 17? Just chuck it up, who be caring? Football not funz unless you iz chucking up the rock all day!

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Hammock Parties 07-23-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9828962)
All I know is in the NFCCG we had 1 completion to a WR and we were 1-13 on third down.

Our resident Alex Smith homer blames this on his lame receiver corps.

9er guy 07-23-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9828921)
Tattoo Boy was shit on 3rd down too. Playcalling to protect the ball?

You know that might be part of it.

But at the same time I felt the first downs were there a lot of the time.

Like say it's 3 and 7. Smitty will throw 3 yards short of the marker.

Now, sometimes that's good and sometimes that's bad.

The point is he did every time no matter what.

So while I agree that Harbaugh's/Roman's overall philosophy is conservative. There times when the play-calling in games very, very, aggressive.

But I felt no matter if we were playing aggressive or conservative, Alex would inherently make the more conservative choice.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-23-2013 10:27 AM

Shoot, if not for his legs, he probably would have been worse.


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