They were a perfect match. Let’s not act like Bill’s incredible defenses didn’t contribute to Brady’s success, especially early in his career

Even later in his career. Let’s not pretend that after beating KC in Mahomes first AFCCG he went on to dominate the Rams. He was awful and it took a masterpiece of a defense by Belechick that won that SB. But Brady fan boys don’t want to acknowledge that. They just want to count that ring towards their argument that Brady is the goat-iest of GOATs and his rings are all about his efforts.

Even late in his career. Belichick's defense held a pretty explosive Rams offense to 3 points in the Super Bowl. That Rams offense averaged more than 30 points per game in the 2018 season. Holding them to 3 points is absolutely nuts.

And when he left Belichick, Brady had a very strong Tampa defense that bailed him out when he had 3 INT's in the conference title game against the Packers. That defense also held an explosive Chiefs offense to less than 10 points in the Super Bowl.

Brady is obviously one of the best QB's ever, but it's still a team game at the end of the day. You stick him on a team with a shitty defense for his entire career and he might not have any rings at all. This statement applies to every quarterback.

The only GOAT worthy trait that stands out about Brady purely as a QB when you take out all the team hardware is he did have the clutch gene that Joe Montana had and Mahomes clearly has. Otherwise there is nothing that ever wowed me about his play. The years he put up monster numbers he had Moss who made an old Cunningham, Culpepper and even Jeff George look like all pros.

I know he played around with game-day equipment. Tapped opposing teams defenses in secret. Would be interested in knowing what else this average statue pocket passing QB did to gain an advantage.

Um, have you looked at Bill's record without Brady?

But I bet some kids get touched/kissed when he’s around!

Now do top 10 defenses, and OLs. Dude never accomplished shit without either. There’s tons of quarterbacks in this league that would have won multiple championships had they switched places with him. Hell, Mahomes would probably go undefeated, and actually won the final game!

Edit: we saw how good he looked this year without a top 10 OL and defense. Pretty average TBH.

Brady never won a Super Bowl without a top ten defense.

This thread belongs in DC. Especially that this is our Super Bowl and he doesn't deserve an ounce of attention.

Couldn't cheat as well, 3 of Brady's Super Bowls should be stripped because of Spygate

Reid is a perfect match for Mahomes. Walsh for Montana who had Rice, etc..

See how this works?

What great QB didn't have a great HC and a good surrounding team? How many HOF RBs had a bad oline throughout their career? It's a team game, this isn't boxing.

I don't see how you can downplay what Brady did because he had a lot of help. He can't do it by himself no but who can?

Playing in the AFC Least sure didn't hurt; that division was a dumpster fire for two decades. Since the division has gotten better, Brady left and Belicheat isn't winning like he used to.

Brokedick