Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, then. I'm personally not a fan of execution except in very, very rare circumstances (which at least have to include breaking the law).

Wow, in a sea of generally benign regurgitation of old gripes, we get this exchange. Leaving aside the argument whether or not Jane IS a traitor, please tell me, jcroft, that you don't feel that our outlook on traitors should evolve as our collective outlook on blacks have over the past century. Traitors are condemned for good reason due to actions completely at their own agency. Completely the opposite of blacks, who were condemned without good reason for an inborn distinction completely out of their control, and completely irrelevant to boot.
A call to evolve into a more 'civilized' metrosexual outlook on traitors is not called for at all, IMO. They purposely, and of their own free will, act at odds to our basic societal safety and security, and for that they deserve to die.

Whew. Donger dodges the noose yet again.

But, I would like to add to the list those that insist on using repeating commas in their posts; AKA, a commatard.

That has got to be the longest definition of 'apples and oranges' that I've ever seen.

After spending a few hours watching On Golden Pond I wanted to spit chew on her as well.

Are you under some kind of notion that there are no laws against treason?

Weren't there Jane bewbies somewhere in there?
Haven't seen it since it was at the. . . would you believe, . . drive-in. But I thought the mentioned bewbies in 'I Love the 80's.'

No, I definitely don't feel our outlook on traitors should evolve. However, I do feel that our outlook on execution should.

You are 100% correct here. No argument from me.

I believe almost no one deserves to die for a crime. I'm generally opposed to the death penalty, although I do hold out a few exceptions to that. In any case, I am in no way suggesting our feelings for traitors should evolve, and the comparrison to racisim was probably uncalled for. I am, though, suggeting that our feelings towards the death penalty should evolve.

That, however, is another thread and I don't really feel like fighting over it here. :)

And, as someone who can probably be considered "metrosexual," I'd just say that I don't think political beliefs have anything to do with that term. "Metrosexuality," if you wish to call it that, has only to do with style and vanity.

No, but I am under the notion that Jane Fonda was never convicted or even charged with such a thing. Am I incorrect (it's quite possible -- this is the first I've ever really heard of what she did)?

Exactly right. I still can't believe the gubment didn't prosecute her for that.

No!

Nope. Of course, it was 'hip' to be part of the anti-war movement back then. There was no way that even our government would have been stupid enough to try to prosecute her.

As to her being guilty of treason, read this:

The Wall Street Journal (August 3, 1995) published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement."

I'm still operating under the "[l]eaving aside the argument whether or not Jane IS a traitor" assumption. . .

Well, no matter what anyone believes, if she wasn't convicted of treason, then she wouldn't have even been executed back in the times you remember so fondly.

Alright. But I told you my feelings on that -- a convicted traitor should definitely get a very harsh punishment. However, I personally don't believe it should be death.

In the case of Jane specifically, if she wasn't convicted of a crime, I don't see how anyone could expect her to get a punishment (other than being spit on, I guess).