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Cormac 08-02-2005 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Ferentz spent a few years as Bill Belichik's assistant and also helped build the Ravens offensive line. Jonathon Ogden still gives him credit for what he did for his game.

Ferentz knows the pro game, and more specifically he knows that games are won in the trenches.

So does Marty :doh!:

htismaqe 08-02-2005 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd
Just numbers to me, that show AS has 7 more games of experience. :D I was embarrassed by and for Gunther when he was the Head Coach. I thought he was going to implode and have a Heart Attack on the sideline. He tried as hard or harder than anyone ever has IMO. He inherited a pretty good team.
I think Al Saunders has a better temperment for the job from what I have seen, but I could be wrong. Did Al Saunders have the same caliber of team when he was a head coach? Has he learned a few things, I dunno. I love his offense and dread the day it is gone.

Saunders, to me, is the offensive equivalent of Gunther.

Great coordinator, doesn't have the broad vision to be a head coach. He's demonstrated several times to me (the way he treated Larry Johnson, going for a pass on 3rd and 1, etc.) that he often misses the "big picture".

htismaqe 08-02-2005 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cormac
So does Marty :doh!:

Kirk doesn't screw around.

When they win the toss, they take the ball. When they have 1st and ten at the 40 and need 2 points to win, they throw the ball long and try to win.

HemiEd 08-02-2005 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Saunders, to me, is the offensive equivalent of Gunther.

Great coordinator, doesn't have the broad vision to be a head coach. He's demonstrated several times to me (the way he treated Larry Johnson, going for a pass on 3rd and 1, etc.) that he often misses the "big picture".


I understand your viewpoint. AS was not the only one the dissed LJ IMO, deservedly so. IIRC LJ was pissed when he was drafted by the Chiefs because of Priest Holmes obvious lock on the job.
It will be interesting to see what happens, a lot of head coach mistakes have been made in the past.

TRR 08-02-2005 10:41 AM

If Saunders is passed on as a head coach in KC, he will no longer be the offensive coordinator. Saunders wants a head coaching job in the NFL, and he's done everything in his power to deserve one. He'll be a head coach in the NFL, whether it's in KC or not IMO.

Saunders deserves a chance as KC's head coach. What he has done with this offense CONSISTENTLY is nothing short of amazing.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR
If Saunders is passed on as a head coach in KC, he will no longer be the offensive coordinator. Saunders wants a head coaching job in the NFL, and he's done everything in his power to deserve one. He'll be a head coach in the NFL, whether it's in KC or not IMO.

Saunders deserves a chance as KC's head coach. What he has done with this offense CONSISTENTLY is nothing short of amazing.

Lots of coordinators have done the same and gone on to be mediocre or worse head coaches. Norv Turner is a perfect example.

Yes, Al Saunders deserves to be a head coach.

No, it should not be in KC.

It's like dumping your girlfriend and then dating her sister because she reminds you of your ex.

When Vermeil steps down, we need to start FRESH.

ROYC75 08-02-2005 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Lots of coordinators have done the same and gone on to be mediocre or worse head coaches. Norv Turner is a perfect example.

Yes, Al Saunders deserves to be a head coach.

No, it should not be in KC.

It's like dumping your girlfriend and then dating her sister because she reminds you of your ex.

When Vermeil steps down, we need to start FRESH.

I agree with this, I wouldn't want to date any of my wife's sisters.






BTW, wasn't Gun deserving a chance when marty went away ?

htismaqe 08-02-2005 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75
I agree with this, I wouldn't want to date any of my wife's sisters.

BTW, wasn't Gun deserving a chance when marty went away ?

Absolutely.

In a city OTHER than KC.

Hiring Gunther as HC in KC was a feeble attempt to "extend" the Marty years without the essential ingredient, namely MARTY.

Hiring Al Saunders as HC here would be the same.

KCTitus 08-02-2005 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Hiring Gunther as HC in KC was a feeble attempt to "extend" the Marty years without the essential ingredient, namely MARTY.

Hiring Al Saunders as HC here would be the same.

yep...been there done that. Next year, new staff all the way.

ROYC75 08-02-2005 11:02 AM

Me thinks a new staff all together would serve best.... I agree with Parker, extending, or trying to extend without the HC is a wasted effort .........

Marty > Gun
DV > Martz
DV > ?

go bo 08-02-2005 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Lots of coordinators have done the same and gone on to be mediocre or worse head coaches. Norv Turner is a perfect example.

Yes, Al Saunders deserves to be a head coach.

No, it should not be in KC.

It's like dumping your girlfriend and then dating her sister because she reminds you of your ex.

When Vermeil steps down, we need to start FRESH.

mmmmmm... yummy...

my wife has some smokin' sisters... :p :p :p

RedThat 08-02-2005 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75
Surtain will cover Moss, IMHO, Porter will see alot of double coverge.

I can live that...Surtain covering moss, and porter being double covered by Dexter and Wesley....Then that leaves room for Curry though?

ROYC75 08-02-2005 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull
I can live that...Surtain covering moss, and porter being double covered by Dexter and Wesley....Then that leaves room for Curry though?


Sapp will, Knight will shadow when needed.

DaneMcCloud 08-02-2005 11:37 AM

Start fresh?? That's the DUMBEST idea I've heard in a long, long time. The reason teams like SF, Pittsburgh and Dallas were so successful for so long is that they didn't change their offensive system. The Chiefs finally have a great offense in place - a great system that utilizes the best of every player, whether it be offensive lineman, wide receivers, QB or running back. To completely change and bring in some college coach or another re-hashed old timer would be a waste of time. This team needs offensive continuity if it's going to continue to be successful.

They don't need another Marty Clone (Edwards, Cowher, etc.) or a West Coast offense disciple. Saunders needs to be given a minimum of 2 years as head coach. He's been in the top 5 of every offensive category since he's arrived and yes, any other coach who's ever done something close to that (whether it be on the offensive or defensive side of the ball) has become a head coach. Think Billick, Fassel, Nolan, Marvin Lewis, Dom Capers, etc. I don't want to see Saunders as a head coach anywhere else other than KC.

Dane
~Doesn't believe that interview anyway

Dave Lane 08-02-2005 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach
What? If he said that, he's senile. There are quite a few teams in the NFL that has came back from a 1-3 defict to make it to the playoffs.

Like???

Dave


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