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Iowanian 01-07-2007 02:46 PM
Gunther sucks. This isn't even His defense.

Gunther's Defense was So bad....HERM even recognised it and implemented his Cover 2.

Gunther is incapable of in game corrections to his plan.

Iowanian 01-07-2007 02:47 PM
My fear is, Donnie Henderson was fired by the lions........

htismaqe 01-07-2007 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963
No matter how you slice it DV would not have produced the most embarrassing NFL playoff loss for any team!

That legacy won't be there for him.
Only a complete moron would be proud of not forcing a team to punt.

KCJohnny 01-07-2007 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowanian
Gunther sucks. This isn't even His defense.

Gunther's Defense was So bad....HERM even recognised it and implemented his Cover 2.

Gunther is incapable of in game corrections to his plan.
You sir, just illustrated your imperfect understanding of NFL football. The 1997 Chiefs defense under Gunther Cunningham set a league record by going 8 straight games without allowing a TD in the 2nd half. If that isn't skill at halftime adjustments, there is no such thing as halftime adjustments.

Hammock Parties 01-07-2007 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
You sir, just illustrated your imperfect understanding of NFL football. The 1997 Chiefs defense under Gunther Cunningham set a league record by going 8 straight games without allowing a TD in the 2nd half. If that isn't skill at halftime adjustments, there is no such thing as halftime adjustments.
We've seen time and time against since Gunther returned that he can't do it. How about that Cleveland game? How about any multitude of games from 2004 and 2005?

Gunther needs top-notch talent and a defensive head coach to hold his hand in order to "coordinate" a good defense. He's a glorified cheerleader.

Mr. Laz 01-07-2007 03:35 PM
Gun is running Herm's defense...

there is no way that Gun would choose to play such a passive defense ... he just doesn't have the patience.


he still can't teach a blitz to save his own arse.



nope ... Gunther is pretty average without the ready-made pass rush of Thomas/Smith to lean on.

Iowanian 01-07-2007 05:12 PM
Would you like to use your football genius to review the effects of Gunther's last 2 defensive efforts?

Very, very little of this version(see tampa 2) has ANYTHING to do with Gunther. I was a supporter, but he's done nothing this season but prove his ability to adjust during the game are pathetic. I can pull specific numbers if you require them.

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
You sir, just illustrated your imperfect understanding of NFL football. The 1997 Chiefs defense under Gunther Cunningham set a league record by going 8 straight games without allowing a TD in the 2nd half. If that isn't skill at halftime adjustments, there is no such thing as halftime adjustments.

BigMeatballDave 01-07-2007 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
Without the heart demonstrated by the D, this game is a humiliation of Biblical proportions. The NFL's Top O from 2005 getting 126 yards of total offense against one of the worst defenses in history to ever make the playoffs. Yeah. Right. Fire Gun. :shake:
Like the heart they showed in Cleveland?

BigMeatballDave 01-07-2007 05:53 PM
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At least it is his $#!+. All the players on defense are the ones he wanted, plus a couple of draft picks and Law thrown in.

And you know it was a bad day when a defense that gives up 450 total yards (188 yards rushing) is the bright spot.
Holding Indy's O to 23 points in the dome is pretty damn good. If our O had come to play, we would have blown them out.

Iowanian 01-07-2007 05:55 PM
Allowing INDY to run for nearly 200 yards is anything but positive. The entire middle of the D is a butt pickle.

Reerun_KC 01-07-2007 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave
Holding Indy's O to 23 points in the dome is pretty damn good. If our O had come to play, we would have blown them out.

Um they did come to play and excuted Herms gameplan to perfection...


What we witnessed is what you get with Herm... Beautiful match of wits and adjustments by Herm and his staff...

KCJohnny 01-07-2007 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave
Holding Indy's O to 23 points in the dome is pretty damn good. If our O had come to play, we would have blown them out.
If the offense gets even 10 1st downs, you can take 100-150 yds of Indy's total offense off the box score. We left that D on the field for FORTY minutes against the Colts at the RCA Dome.

penchief 01-07-2007 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
Herm came in and achieved "balance". That's what you could say after having a D suck so bad the past 5 years that getting under 300 points (we didn't) would have been a monumental achievement. But in the name of "balance" we took the league's best offense and demoted it to a predictable, 1-dimensional cliche that dropped SIXTEEN places in ranking and performed worse than almost any offense in NFL playoff history (126 yards of total offense).

I think without Gun trying to make shinola out of $#!+ with Herm's insistance on Cover 2, this team is horrible. The Colts game shows that the testicles are on D, and that is NOT because Herm "changed the focus". If DV was here, we'd be 14-2 and laughing at the Colts because he kept Gun. That said, this team had better realize that flushing DV's O leaves not much in its place. Thank God for Gun, because without him and these over-acheivers, this team is a waste of talent. Hopefully Gun stays and keeps this team at least semi-competitive.
I agree. I was also inspired by our defense.

However, I strongly disagree with your attempts to give credit to Gunther Cunningham. I think this defense has improved in spite of Gunther. If we are predictable on offense we are even more predictable with his blitzes. We get burned every time Gunther blitzes. This defense improved as soon as Herman Edwards put his stamp on it. Herm's defense is playing with a better plan and with more purpose and pride. Gunther hasn't been able to do anything, IMO, unless he's got a couple of studs coming off the ends ala, DT and Neil Smith. Hali's arrival (Herm's pick) has enhanced the defense in this way and has given us a foundation to build on.

IMO, Gunther is clueless. This is Edward's defense. Hali, Page, & Pollard are just the first step in making this defense dominant again.

JMHO.

WilliamTheIrish 01-07-2007 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
If the offense gets even 10 1st downs, you can take 100-150 yds of Indy's total offense off the box score. We left that D on the field for FORTY minutes against the Colts at the RCA Dome.
Baloney.

Your ridiculous love for Gunther has you believing the defense was doing anything but playing The Little Dutch Boy defense. The Colts got at least one first down on every drive until their 4th series of the second half. Which was with about 4:30 to play in the game. In reality, the defense was on the field so much because they couldn't get a stop. At all.
Law came to the rescue. And so did Page.

The O was horrible. We all realize that. The D was ..... somewhere between bad and almost okay.
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Colts drives:
First Half
1 - 3 1st downs
3 - 2 1st downs
4 - 2 1st downs
5 - 4 1st downs
6 - 2 1st downs
Second Half
1 - 2 1st downs
2 - 5 1st downs
3 - 4 1st downs
4 - 0 1st downs
5 - 0 1st downs
6 - 0 1st downs

kcxiv 01-07-2007 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
I agree. I was also inspired by our defense.

However, I strongly disagree with your attempts to give credit to Gunther Cunningham. I think this defense has improved in spite of Gunther. If we are predictable on offense we are even more predictable with his blitzes. We get burned every time Gunther blitzes. This defense improved as soon as Herman Edwards put his stamp on it. Herm's defense is playing with a better plan and with more purpose and pride. Gunther hasn't been able to do anything, IMO, unless he's got a couple of studs coming off the ends ala, DT and Neil Smith. Hali's arrival (Herm's pick) has enhanced the defense in this way and has given us a foundation to build on.

IMO, Gunther is clueless. This is Edward's defense. Hali, Page, & Pollard are just the first step in making this defense dominant again.

JMHO.
Any team that has a great Defense has GREAT players. Bears, have Great players. Dolphins have Great players. Ravens? again, Great players. Chiefs? we dont have that. Guntharr had to come in here with Vermeils garbage and grab a few players in free agency to try to get a lil balance of talent on the team.

This team has 2 possible players that can become great that are young. Allen and DJ. Hali i think will be good, but he wont ever be a great players. Maybe Page and Pollard have a chance, we just havent seen that much of them on Defense. Not like we have seen Allen and DJ.


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