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DeezNutz 03-28-2007 11:09 AM
This might get bashed, but what about Allen plus our 1st for Atlanta's first-round selection? Sounds like something Denver would pull off, though it might take more to get into the top ten.

CupidStunt 03-28-2007 11:09 AM
Trade him for a second-rounder and something else (maybe a high day two or player), package that with out first to move up and grab Levi Brown, and then take LaMarr Woodley with our second pick (who is going to be one of the best DEs out of this class; a Mark Anderson-type - football player, not athlete).

Lzen 03-28-2007 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Logical
Do you really trust Carl Peterson to use those picks effectively given his history?
Yeah, it's not like he would ever draft anybody like say a Jared Allen.

PunkinDrublic 03-28-2007 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by booger
How about lets not forget about the whole DUI/suspension thing when the thought of trading him for 1st day picks is concerned. I love the way he plays and believe his attitude in the lockeroom is good for team chemistry minus the DUI's. It's going to be hard to give him the contract he wants being only 1 mess up away from a year suspension. Plus his Agent is an unknown guy who is going to try to make a name for himself with this contract. That doesn't bode well for us either.

When the Allen wants traded article first came out in the star a month or so ago, Petersons response was not wanting to trade him and he was asking for too much money.
That's pretty much what I read into it. I think it's his douchebag agent that seems to be fanning the flames.

booger 03-28-2007 11:39 AM
Hopefully not Hadley Engledork part II

shaneo69 03-28-2007 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRock
And the Atlanta trade stuff is brought up more on KC boards than it seems to be talked about on Falcons' boards. Do they seriously have an interest in giving up some high picks for him?
Probably because Nick Athan brought up Atlanta as a possible trade partner for Allen, which htismaqe then referenced in a previous thread from early March.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=159564

Phobia 03-28-2007 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!
He can't be traded unless he has a contract. The most that can happen at this point is if ATL makes an offer and we don't match it.
True, it's not technically a trade but the Chiefs and alternate team can work out reduced compensation which is a trade-like transaction.

htismaqe 03-28-2007 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by shaneo69
Probably because Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan brought up Atlanta as a possible trade partner for Allen, which htismaqe then referenced in a previous thread from early March.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=159564
The info originally came from Mitch Holthus, not Athan.

htismaqe 03-28-2007 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan
I'm not saying anything bad about Hali. I love Hali.

But let's not overreact and create a mob scene to trade Jared because he's doing the whole agent/contract thing.
For me, it's really not about Allen. It's about accumulating draft picks in an effort to overhaul this team.

Allen represents our best bet to get multiple first day picks for a guy that is a potential problem to the team.

booger 03-28-2007 12:23 PM
I'm suprised his Agent hasn't got him a visit or visits like Franchise FA Charles Grant from NO visited the bucs. I thought this was in his original threat when it first came out in the Star he wanted traded.

Logical 03-28-2007 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
We talk about the guy like he's Shawne Merriman.

He's not. He's had 9, 11 and 7.5 sacks. Hate to break it to both Jared and the folks in KC, but that's really nothing special. His average production amounts to what would be an off year for a good pass rusher. His production dictates that he's, so far, nothing more than a mediocre player who happens to be a fan favorite on a defense that's been historically bad for years. And now he's having repeat legal troubles and playing the vocal and disgruntled stuff in the media.

If I'm the gm, I shop him. He doesn't deserve a big contract at this point. If Allen homers want to say he's earned it on the field (which I don't believe - he's earned a mid-level contract), I'd counter by saying he lost that right by his behavior off of it. He's got to prove he can stay clean and be a team player, as well as perform like a guy who moves mountains, before I make that kind of investment. It just wouldn't be a smart move in my book. Let some other team take that risk and deal with his bullshit.
While I don't really disagree with you, what you have pointed out is that he does not really have much trade value.

Reerun_KC 03-28-2007 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
For me, it's really not about Allen. It's about accumulating draft picks in an effort to overhaul this team.

Allen represents our best bet to get multiple first day picks for a guy that is a potential problem to the team.

:bravo:

Very well said... Stocking up on Picks is the only way the Chiefs are ever going to contend...

hell I would take a 2nd and 3rd for him...

More picks the better

Logical 03-28-2007 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
For me, it's really not about Allen. It's about accumulating draft picks in an effort to overhaul this team.

Allen represents our best bet to get multiple first day picks for a guy that is a potential problem to the team.
I have my doubts we could get better than a 3rd and a 5th for him, as Keg pointed out his production really has not been all pro quality.

beer bacon 03-28-2007 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jAZ
I don't blame him for doing this. It's all about using whatever leverage they have to get the best deal they can.
Step #1 to getting best deal you possibly can: Don't be a douchebag that constantly gets arrested for driving around drunk.

beer bacon 03-28-2007 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
We talk about the guy like he's Shawne Merriman.

He's not. He's had 9, 11 and 7.5 sacks. Hate to break it to both Jared and the folks in KC, but that's really nothing special. His average production amounts to what would be an off year for a good pass rusher. His production dictates that he's, so far, nothing more than a mediocre player who happens to be a fan favorite on a defense that's been historically bad for years. And now he's having repeat legal troubles and playing the vocal and disgruntled stuff in the media.

If I'm the gm, I shop him. He doesn't deserve a big contract at this point. If Allen homers want to say he's earned it on the field (which I don't believe - he's earned a mid-level contract), I'd counter by saying he lost that right by his behavior off of it. He's got to prove he can stay clean and be a team player, as well as perform like a guy who moves mountains, before I make that kind of investment. It just wouldn't be a smart move in my book. Let some other team take that risk and deal with his bullshit.
Sacks aren't everything. He got consistent pressure, and he was also tops among d-linemen in tackles and tackles for loss.


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