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C-Mac 12-17-2007 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead
I think Herm should get one more year, just because i think we will have a lot more talent on this team next year. To be honest Bill Belichick couldnt have won with the talent we have this year.

Ever wonder how this same lousy Oline somehow managed to block one of the top defensive lines last Sunday? They finally grew tired of being thrown under the bus and they played with some heart, desire and pride. A great coach will bring that out in his players every Sunday. There is talent on this team, there isnt enough heart,desire and belief on this team and that falls directly on the coach(s).

Dave Lane 12-17-2007 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd
**** Herm! He shouldn't have gotten the two years he already has. Chris Terry can help him with his move. See ya!


ROFL

Dave

Hammock Parties 12-17-2007 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac
Ever wonder how this same lousy Oline somehow managed to block one of the top defensive lines last Sunday? They finally grew tired of being thrown under the bus and they played with some heart, desire and pride. A great coach will bring that out in his players every Sunday. There is talent on this team, there isnt enough heart,desire and belief on this team and that falls directly on the coach(s).

Actually it had more to do with Haynesworth not playing much and Svitek showing he can actually play right tackle.

But blame the coaches for not realizing Svitek should be placed at RT all along. :)

Dave Lane 12-17-2007 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE
I'm on the fence on this issue. What coach would have had this collection of inept talent further along at this point? We know Carl has meddled with the situation and delayed a true "rebuild," which is what Herm wanted from the start.

I don't think Herm is taking us anywhere, but he deserves the chance to build his own team. I guess what I'm trying to say is, give him as much rope to hang himself with as possible. If we're this bad in 2009, pull the plug.


All you have to ask is what would this offense be like if Saunders was still OC without Herm meddling? We have gone from a #2 ranking to number 31 in 1.8 years that may be a record. It also points to coaching and descending production from a coaching scheme.

And apart from Roaf and Shields its the same basic group Saunders was working with 2 years ago. And forget green he was good but "the system" helped him and Collins both.

Dave

Hammock Parties 12-17-2007 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane
All you have to ask is what would this offense be like if Saunders was still OC without Herm meddling?

Saunders is going to be fired in Washington most likely.

Dave Lane 12-17-2007 09:09 PM

Because he hasn't got to run his style offense for a very conservative coach.

Dave

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2007 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane
All you have to ask is what would this offense be like if Saunders was still OC without Herm meddling? We have gone from a #2 ranking to number 31 in 1.8 years that may be a record. It also points to coaching and descending production from a coaching scheme.

And apart from Roaf and Shields its the same basic group Saunders was working with 2 years ago. And forget green he was good but "the system" helped him and Collins both.

Dave

Sorry, this is nonsense.

The Chiefs lost TWO hall of fame offensive lineman in consecutive years. TWO. And you expect that the Chiefs were going to continue producing their offensive numbers? Especially when DV was chasing after any DT in 5 drafts instead of drafting the BAA.

Add to the fact that Waters is 30, Weigman is 34 and Welbourne is in his thirties. They're ALL over 30! That is HUGE!

And if Saunders could do much with far less talent, why isn't he producing the same numbers in Washington, where they CLEARLY have had better offensive players across the board for the past two years? Why aren't they in the top 5?

Dave Lane 12-17-2007 09:10 PM

Gibbs still want to run the counter-trey

Dave Lane 12-17-2007 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
Sorry, this is nonsense.

The Chiefs lost TWO hall of fame offensive lineman in consecutive years. TWO. And you expect that the Chiefs were going to continue producing their offensive numbers? Especially when DV was chasing after any DT in 5 drafts instead of drafting the BAA.

Add to the fact that Waters is 30, Weigman is 34 and Welbourne is in his thirties. They're ALL over 30! That is HUGE!

And if Saunders could do much with far less talent, why isn't he producing the same numbers in Washington, where they CLEARLY have had better offensive players across the board for the past two years? Why aren't they in the top 5?


Put down the crack pipe dude. DC has a hideous offense and the players are pitiful.

Dave

Hammock Parties 12-17-2007 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane
Because he hasn't got to run his style offense for a very conservative coach.

Dave

LOL...you do realize that Joe Gibbs was coordinating the Coryell offense back in San Diego?

Saunders is overrated. He's about as good as the talent he has to work with. No more, no less.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2007 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane
Put down the crack pipe dude. DC has a hideous offense and the players are pitiful.

Dave

The Redskins have only allowed 24 sacks this year.

Yeah, that line SUCKS. :rolleyes:

dtebbe 12-17-2007 09:17 PM

Because he's a black coach and we don't want Jessie Jackson in KC? :shrug:

DT

Dave Lane 12-17-2007 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX
I think it's more of a "backlash" response, Mr. Messier. You know, in reaction to all the posts regarding what a fabulous drafter person Herm is. For a while there, one would think that Herm invented college football, the draft, and could mind-meld with 1000 players simultaneously to determine their futures.

In fact, his drafts have been okay - but not spectacular by any means.

FAX


Now thats funny right there!

Dave

Dave Lane 12-17-2007 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE
The Redskins have only allowed 24 sacks this year.

Yeah, that line SUCKS. :rolleyes:


I'm talking about the skill positions: QB, WR, RB, TE

a1na2 12-17-2007 09:30 PM

Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time

Because we are stupid and can't see that he is a moron that cannot coach in the NFL but want to give him another year or two to make his plan come to fruition.


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