It's an argument used here...I don't think you'll see it anywhere else.

Don't mind Frankie he'd take Jeff Otah over Matt Ryan though to show you where he's at.

And if anyone comes in here and tells me that Young is/was a better prospect than Ryan I am going to laugh so hard.

Coming from the guy who somehow thinks Dan Connor is a better cover back than Rivers it means alot to me...

And hey even if he's NFL average that'll be an upgrade from the guy we got now who'll spend alot of weeks on the sideline in his cast/boot/sling and whatever else you can think of.

That's incorrect. You can watch the tape. If all you can go off of right now is their college stats, we'd be talking about possibly taking Colt Brennan with our 1st pick instead. But we're not. Why? Because he doesn't project as well to be a pro quarterback.

I'll take that challenge.....

You see, you are assuming that Ryan won't bomb, or get hurt. What can you show anyone that you can point to as an absolute that Ryan will be someone's QBOTF? Right now it is conjecture and just that. Could he be and does he have the skill set...yes....but that doesn't always equate to an absolute. (There are many examples of can't-miss QB's that have not panned out) So, until Ryan makes a roster and starts a game you are making assumptions.

As for Vince Young, he has started games in the NFL...plus he has a few other credentials that at least give him the nod over Ryan.

But let's have this conversation in a couple of years...by then you can make that comparison.

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You could say the same thing about any QB before hes drafted. They all have questions marks. Nobody knows, its all a gamble.


All i know is, ill trust the experts before i trust anyone on Chiefsplanet. The experts say hes a top 5 pick.

I don't disagree...I am just trying to point out that, while Ryan is the best QB in the draft, he may not pan out either. And trying to say that he is better than Vince Young at this time is a bit premature.

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I just wish people would make up their mind on what they want as a QB, I watch people rip on Russell who is the all the physical tools in the world you could want a guy to have prospect, and now I watch people rip on Ryan who is the all intangibles very good physical skills guy.....

Well um which kinda QB do you want because you aren't gonna get both that comes along once in what 40 years?

Also I seem to recall everyone wanting the Chiefs to pick Quinn as he was falling....now here we are the QB situation is no better, all that we know is Croyle confirmed he still gets injured and now no one wants a QB?

Ryan is a better prospect than Quinn in my book.

As far as I can tell, he wont be worthy of being the "Mighty KC Chiefs QBoTF" unless hes the 2nd coming of John Elway, Troy Aikman, Joe Montana and Dan Marino all rolled into one. :)

This is because opinions vary widely, especially on QBs. THere were plenty of people who were in love with Ryan Leaf over Manning, but you can't seem to find any of them around these days.

We're to this point now of people looking for excuses to not take Matt Ryan, if anyone thinks other players are better or whatever fine just say that. But please don't try to bullshit me or anyone else into believing that Croyle and Ryan are remotely the same kind of prospects.

I still believe it's that fear, to be great you have to take risks, many people aren't willing to do that they'd rather get back to what we've always been than risk being awful for several years to win it all.

It's that safe mentality.

At the time, Manning was the "safer" pick because he was already NFL ready.

Leaf had more upside because he had the cannon for an arm. BTW, Leaf probably had the strongest arm ive ever seen in the NFL. I remember him throwing some tight spirals 50 yards downfield at Arrowhead in a rainstorm. Too bad it wasnt accurate. :)

Which is why im willing to bet good money Carl is praying every night Atlanta snags Ryan so he wont be forced to make the decision.

Yea sounds like that Matt Ryan guy doesn't it?

You gotta hate GM's like that and fans like that even more, what ever happened to having some god damn sack and making the decisions to win it all? Hell I'm fine with my team being awful as long as I think their decisions are geared toward winning it all and some of them didn't work out. I like that more than the "we're gonna be safe so we never bottom out yet we never really win either"

WTF?