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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897606)

This man can never benefit from new evidence or new law that could possibly mitigate his sentence or overturn his conviction.

Unless it suddenly becomes legal to kill people then I think he'll be ok dead

He's had ample opportunities for appeal, has admitted partaking in this crime and is not claiming to be innocent from what I read.

The 4 people he was involved in killing all had family and friends and lives that they'll have no opportunity for a single appeal.

This petition is false....it mentions only part of the evidence for the first killing, but overlooks the fact that they then went and killed his wife, who was uninvolved, and then 2 more individuals.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4897603)

Yeah, I think it's pretty pussed to value the life, of a body dumping shitbag.

I don't give life.
So I tend to see it as much more valuable than the average person.
If I'm a pussy for that... So be it.

here is a death penalty case:

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DES MOINES, Iowa -- Police have charged a teen driver in connection with a fatal crash that killed a motorcyclist Wednesday.

The crash between a car driven by Esther Chisala, 17, and a scooter happened at Martin Luther King Parkway and University Avenue at 10:54 a.m.

Witnesses told police that Chisala ran a red light and hit the motorcycle traveling westbound on University Avenue. The rider, James Miller, 46, was thrown into the car's windshield. Rescue crews performed CPR on him at the scene.

The same car was involved in a hit-and-run crash near Forest Avenue and Martin Luther King Parkway with a van owned by Iowa Homeless Youth Services a short time earlier, police said.

Witnesses followed the driver from the first crash scene and pointed her out to police.

Police said Miller died on the way to the hospital.

Victim's Widow Speaks Out

Miller's widow, Melody, said her husband was doing what he loved -- riding his scooter and going to garage sales. She said it's hard for the news to sink in that he's gone for good.

"He would give you his heart and soul to help you or to do something to make you smile," Melody Miller said.

The couple had been together 23 years and had one son together.

"It's going to be hard," Miller said. "He's 12 years old."

Miller said her son was home when police arrived to give her the bad news.

"I figured something else had happened -- not that," she said. "Not a fatality or finalization or something. It's an unbelievable feeling."

Miller said she was grateful for the witnesses who followed the driver so that someone can be held responsible in the case.

Witness Sees Both Crashes

A.J. Forneris saw both crashes from the doorway of Perry's Service Station.

"The little girl was coming up the street and hit a van, right down here in the alley. The van was pulling in and she rear-ended it," Forneris said.

When he ran out to help, Forneris said the driver took off.

"I ran out into the street to get her license number and she run the red light and hit the gentleman on the motorcycle," Forneris said. "Then she hit a light pole about a half block up the road. Hit a light pole, spun sideways and by then I was almost there.

Forneris said after hitting the light pole, the young female driver got out of her car and started to walk away.

"When she got out, I said 'you need to come up here.' I stood beside her and followed her all the way up and she just sat there and looked at the guy," said Forneris.

Forneris said the woman didn't appear to be in shock and tried to explain what had happened.

"She said, 'I was going too fast and hit the van and was trying to get away.' And I thought, unbelievable, if it weren't for the light pole, she would have been gone," Forneris said.

Charges

Police said Chisala was arrested and charged with vehicular homicide, two counts of leaving the scene of an accident and failure to render aid.

Chisala was taken to Meyer Hall.

Copyright 2008 by KCCI.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFan4Life (Post 4897621)

Unless it suddenly becomes legal to kill people then I think he'll be ok dead

Murder hardly needs to become legal for new evidence to come available.

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4897593)

So your entire argument is based on the pretense that since everyone is physically capable of murder, we should not use capital punishment on anyone?

Capable of error Albert. Error.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897626)

I don't give life.
So I tend to see it as much more valuable than the average person.
If I'm a pussy for that... So be it.

You don't give life to animals either, but I'll bet you eat them.

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4897496)

Why do these dudes always wait until they are behind bars to suddenly do something postive with their lives?

Sorry dude, RIP.

Probably so they can convince dumb sheep of people to take up their cause and not put them to death.. See look at me now, I am doing good.. Don't kill me because I helped brutally murder people..

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 4897580)

Why? I happen to agree with that post 100% He just said it before I did. And you never answered his question. Are we supposed to just lay there and take it while scumbags like do whatever? Look, I'm sure everyone knows that if you murder someone in cold blood, you could get the death penalty. It's not like they stole a pack of gum from Walmart. The ended a life. Ask the victims' families if they don't think this guy deserves death. I wonder what they would say.

I did answer the question.
I said there were other ways to achieve retribution.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4897637)

You don't give life to animals either, but I'll bet you eat them.

That's a 1:1 isn't it?
The killing of animals to live is directly in proportion to capital punishment.

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 4897638)

Probably so they can convince dumb sheep of people to take up their cause and not put them to death.. See look at me now, I am doing good.. Don't kill me because I helped brutally murder people..

From this thread it's obvious that at least one guy has fallen for it. ROFL

I'm not a proponent of the death penalty as a general rule, but I think it definitely has a place when the victim of some heinous act continues to be abused, in some way, by the perpetrator. For example, people like the sick bastard who raped and murdered Jessica Lunsford, the little girl in Florida who is the namesake for Jessica's Law, should not continue to live.

This animal received sexual gratification from his act and can continue to get his rocks off in prison from the mental images of the event. The poor little girl thus continues to be victimized. Same thing with her family.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897632)

Murder hardly needs to become legal for new evidence to come available.

What sort of evidence? He has admitted to being present at all of the murders.

This isn't a case where DNA is going to prove something different. What do you think would ever change?

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan (Post 4897590)

I see what you are saying, but I'm asking you a serious, nonsarcastic question. Would you rather he be given life in prison?

Yes.