Sometimes you have to go from taskmaster (Marty) to motivational/emotional guy (Dick), to player's coach (Herm) and back to taskmaster.

It happens all the time. And that time has come.

head coach is the one ultimatly responsible for wins and losses. they are in charge of game planning. if you blame the execution of the players, well, they're herm's players so again falls on him.

how many second half points have we scored in the last two weeks, or a better question is how many second half points have we given up all season. how many leads have slipped away? in indy in '06, how many times was LJ ran right up the center or guard's ass? why does he stick with the cover 2? (its well known cover 2 won't work without pass rush, and we traded that away.)

This is literally word for word what used to be said about Cowher.... before he won the Superbowl. That's not a defense of Cowher(don't want him, don't want him), but an example of how impatient fans can be with a head coach.

I want to win a Superbowl too. I want that very badly. But it isn't simply a head coach that's holding this team back from winning a Superbowl. If that were the case, I would gladly agree with you. The team still needs pieces. And a new head coach isn't going to wave a magic wand and get us to the Superbowl more quickly. I think Herm is the right type of coach for a team in this phase of development. And if the new GM has a coach in mind with the same mindset for building a team, then bring him on in. That wouldn't disappoint me at all. I just don't want to lose the philosophy of building through the draft. I don't want to lose patience now, and make things worse. I understand that there are other coaches who would support a rebuild, but I know there are a lot more who would go in a different direction.

The 4th down calls are very questionable criticism. If they were called the same way each time, you might have a point. But we've tried some, and declined to try some. I've agreed with many more 4th down decisions this year than I've questioned. And I've seen the same trend in many other posters here...

I agree that his game management/clock management "skills" are often wrongfully attacked.

There are two HUGE reasons why a coaching change is needed:

It's all about the performance of the D. #32 gets you the door, especially when this was your calling card when you took the job.

Couple this with putting too much of his (and the organization's) faith in Croyle, and he has to go.

well if GM is deciding on Herm....as Clark says we will likely be waiting awhile.

There is no question he has gone for it more but that is because we only have won 2 games. He had a couple of instances earlier in the season and chose not to go for it and put the game on the D's shoulder when it was obvious they couldn't stop shit. What that tells me is if we were a .500 team he would hardly ever go for it.

There is no reason no to go for it when you are the 2nd worst team in the NFL because you have nothing to lose.

I think CLARK is ultimately the one who decided he wanted to build through the draft, and I don't see that changing with or without Herm, but I agree with just about everything you're saying. I just really don't have any faith in Herm. I'm just a football fan with an opinion though. I think Kuharich is the man that is ultimately going to build this team, and I't's going to take another coach to get our boys fitted for rings.

"Charlie Don't Surf"?

The coach is certainly responsible for wins and losses. But that has to come with some understanding of what the team makeup is, and the level of talent currently on the team. You have to factor in the team youth and inexperience. You could pick your favorite head coach and put him in charge of the youngest team in the league, and his record would be less than his coaching average. Lots of people point to the overall record as proof positive of failure, but you have to keep in mind what the expectations were before the season started. Most everyone saw what the team was going to be made of before the season started and picked us to win 0-5 games. Now our 2 wins are being held as justification for failure, even though it was seen as expected growing pains beforehand.

Second half point are a concern. But I see us doing the same things in the second half that we're doing in the first, and not executing them the same way. LJ is no longer running up the center's ass, so that has changed since last year. Cover 2 is a failure with this personnel, and a big negative on Herm's philosophy.

I agree! What about Tony Dungy??? Does Herm not remind anyone of Tony Dungy?

Dungy has only had one losing season in his career. So no, not so much.

So there's no question he has gone for it more, because we only have won 2 games..... but we should go for it more because we are the 2nd worst team in the NFL?

We ARE doing the same things in the second half as the 1st. The other teams are making halftime adjustments, and we are not, and have not ALL SEASON.

No he doesn't. I understand they came from the same "tree". But I think it ended when they fell from the tree.

Ask me again in 10 years......