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Mecca 01-15-2009 06:17 PM

This is a team that needs alot of shit...from QB to Dline...and when I start looking at the players this year, I just don't see any of those lineman worth those picks.

I personally like Everette Brown but I wouldn't use a top 5 pick on him, and Brian Orakpo just has a huge flashing sign that says stay away on his forehead.

OnTheWarpath15 01-15-2009 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5394994)
This is a team that needs alot of shit...from QB to Dline...and when I start looking at the players this year, I just don't see any of those lineman worth those picks.

I personally like Everette Brown but I wouldn't use a top 5 pick on him, and Brian Orakpo just has a huge flashing sign that says stay away on his forehead.

Yeah, this draft is really weak at the top. You have the 2 QB's and an OLman or two.

ChiefsCountry 01-15-2009 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5394968)
He was the last.

2nd round 32nd selection Drew Brees Purdue San Diego Chargers

Take a look at 2001
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...?type=position

No he was the 1st pick of the second round. There was only 31 teams in 2001.

Mecca 01-15-2009 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5395000)
Yeah, this draft is really weak at the top. You have the 2 QB's and an OLman or two.

I don't lump you in with the other people by the way..

It's not like I think your Frankie who has such fear of the QB position he will make every high draft thought of QB into the devil.

ChiefsCountry 01-15-2009 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 5394966)
I am unsure where you attended school, but 21 Pro Bowlers divided by 34 picks equals 61.7%. Are you exaggerating the stats in your favor a little bit? Now, to answer your response before you give it to us. 61% of top 5 QB picks making it to the Pro Bowl is just great, just an outstanding accomplishment, but only 20% of them have won Super Bowls. Isn't that what we all want? Did you listen to what Pioli had to say the other day? Building a team and he is not looking for Pro Bowlers. "Players go to the Pro Bowl, Teams win Super Bowls."

I think I threw out the last 3 in my analysis do to they havent had the time. This data is for the Ryan Leaf scared to death people. You have a damn good shot at getting a good player instead of a total bust.

The Franchise 01-15-2009 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5395001)
No he was the 1st pick of the second round. There was only 31 teams in 2001.

Heh. Oops....I"m reeruned.

Mecca 01-15-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5395007)
I think I threw out the last 3 in my analysis do to they havent had the time. This data is for the Ryan Leaf scared to death people. You have a damn good shot at getting a good player instead of a total bust.

I also don't understand why people feel the QB position is so risky, it's the most important position so you should be willing to take the chance especially when you factor in there are busts at every position, no position is completely safe.

OnTheWarpath15 01-15-2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5395011)
I also don't understand why people feel the QB position is so risky, it's the most important position so you should be willing to take the chance especially when you factor in there are busts at every position, no position is completely safe.

Here we go...

It IS risky.

And yes, though you think otherwise, a bust with a high QB pick can, and does cripple a franchise.

You've made a financial commitment to this guy for 4-5 years, and if he goes south on you, you're screwed. Bad QB play will stunt the growth of the entire offense. And you can't pull him, because you're paying him a shit-ton of money. So you have to ride it out, and take that shot again, hoping to hit the next time - while other players are basically being wasted in their prime because the team is going nowhere without an offense that opposing defenses have to respect. (See: JaMarcus Russell)

If you pick any other position that early and they bust, it doesn't have the same effect.

Draft a LT and he sucks? Move him into guard, or give him help. But his bad play isn't going to stall the entire offense.

Draft a DT and he sucks? You keep playing him because he's going to give you SOMETHING, and his play alone isn't going to **** up the entire defense.

stevieray 01-15-2009 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5395019)
Here we go...

It IS risky.

And yes, though you think otherwise, a bust with a high QB pick can, and does cripple a franchise.

You've made a financial commitment to this guy for 4-5 years, and if he goes south on you, you're screwed. Bad QB play will stunt the growth of the entire offense. And you can't pull him, because you're paying him a shit-ton of money. So you have to ride it out, and take that shot again, hoping to hi the next time.

If you pick any other position that early and they bust, it doesn't have the same effect.

Draft a LT and he sucks? Move him into guard, or give him help. But his bad play isn't going to stall the entire offense.

Draft a DT and he sucks? You keep playing him because he's going to give you SOMETHING, and his play alone isn't going to **** up the entire defense.

exactly...like you said it's a team sport in a time of single player slob fests...I'll never forget the look on Collins face when Crumpler fumbled that ball and the game away....you can do everything right and all it takes is one play..ie holmes first fumble in over four hundred touches in the Indy playoff game...

Reerun_KC 01-15-2009 06:37 PM

Taking a QB with the 3rd pick would be worth the meltdown on this board....

I would love it...

aturnis 01-15-2009 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5394994)
This is a team that needs alot of shit...from QB to Dline...and when I start looking at the players this year, I just don't see any of those lineman worth those picks.

I personally like Everette Brown but I wouldn't use a top 5 pick on him, and Brian Orakpo just has a huge flashing sign that says stay away on his forehead.

I was happy to hear Pioli said he has red flags go up with good combine numbers.

the Talking Can 01-15-2009 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5395019)
Here we go...

It IS risky.

And yes, though you think otherwise, a bust with a high QB pick can, and does cripple a franchise.

You've made a financial commitment to this guy for 4-5 years, and if he goes south on you, you're screwed. Bad QB play will stunt the growth of the entire offense. And you can't pull him, because you're paying him a shit-ton of money. So you have to ride it out, and take that shot again, hoping to hit the next time - while other players are basically being wasted in their prime because the team is going nowhere without an offense that opposing defenses have to respect. (See: JaMarcus Russell)

If you pick any other position that early and they bust, it doesn't have the same effect.

Draft a LT and he sucks? Move him into guard, or give him help. But his bad play isn't going to stall the entire offense.

Draft a DT and he sucks? You keep playing him because he's going to give you SOMETHING, and his play alone isn't going to **** up the entire defense.

great so you have a LT playing guard...and no QB....


what's the point?

you're trying to build a championship team not minimize risk....

now matter how you say it, "don't draft a QB because it is risky" is a loser's mentality...the exact loser's mentality that has infested this franchise for decades....

OnTheWarpath15 01-15-2009 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5395028)
Taking a QB with the 3rd pick would be worth the meltdown on this board....

I would love it...

Eh, only the true reeruns would meltdown.

Otherwise, any meltdown would be confined to getting the supposed "wrong" QB.

OnTheWarpath15 01-15-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5395030)
great so you have a LT playing guard...and no QB....


what's the point?

you're trying to build a championship team not minimize risk....

now matter how you say it, "don't draft a QB because it is risky" is a loser's mentality...the exact loser's mentality that has infested this franchise for decades....

I swear, your teachers must hang their heads in shame, because you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

I'm not saying "don't draft a QB high." I've been on board with Sanchez before just about everyone else on this board.

What I AM saying, is that there IS a huge risk.

I'll type it again in all caps, maybe you'll get it this time, since you've missed it the other 500 times I've said it in the past 4 months:


I WANT US TO DRAFT A QB WITH OUR 1ST PICK, PREFERABLY MARK SANCHEZ.

HOWEVER, UNLIKE OTHERS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A HUGE RISK INVOLVED, A BIGGER RISK THAN AT ANY OTHER POSITION.

UNDERSTANDING THAT RISK, I STILL WANT THE CHIEFS TO TAKE A QB WITH THEIR 1ST PICK.


Holy shit, where's the tylenol?

SAUTO 01-15-2009 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5394988)
Exactly.

Anyone watch Inside the NFL last night?

The entire crew thinks Eli Manning is no better than the 10th-15th best QB in the league.

Three guys who played in the league, one of them as a SB winning QB, and they think he's average.

Yet, he's won a Super Bowl, so people here think he's the greatest ****ing thing since sliced bread.

did you see that they are speculating that his deal will be bigger than big bro'sROFL


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