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melbar 02-13-2009 01:08 PM

If you look up top 100 rankings and start to go through them, especially the ones just before Bradford decided to stay in had him in the 40-50 overall rankings. Course that is before bowl games...just saying.

melbar 02-13-2009 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5487625)
The first response was posted while I was still writing.

You didn't get it at first, or you never would have said that comparing the two is ridiculous.

Yes. I did.

Its Ridiculous.

Chiefnj2 02-13-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5487615)
Link?

Pete Carroll.

melbar 02-13-2009 01:13 PM

"He became Tennessee's all-time leading passer with 11,201 yards and 89 touchdowns and won 39 of 45 games as a starter, breaking the Southeastern Conference (SEC) record for career wins.[11]

This alone puts him in a completely different league.

Do I studder?.... :)

DeezNutz 02-13-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487643)
Pete Carroll.

LMAO

And Gonzo says that Thigpen should be the starter.

Carroll has no reason, none what so ****ing ever, to have been pissed about Sanchez's decision to leave.

Think about this logically. Do you think Sanchez would have declared if he really believed, based on all the info presented to him, that he'd be a second rounder?

If this were the case, of course he would have returned to school.

DeezNutz 02-13-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5487654)
"He became Tennessee's all-time leading passer with 11,201 yards and 89 touchdowns and won 39 of 45 games as a starter, breaking the Southeastern Conference (SEC) record for career wins.[11]

This alone puts him in a completely different league.

Do I studder?.... :)

And he was roundly abused for "never being able to win the big one."

Man, if it weren't for that ****ing smilie, I would go full grammar nazi.

melbar 02-13-2009 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5487656)
LMAO

And Gonzo says that Thigpen should be the starter.

Carroll has no reason, none what so ****ing ever, to have been pissed about Sanchez's decision to leave.

Think about this logically. Do you think Sanchez would have declared if he really believed, based on all the info presented to him, that he'd be a second rounder?

If this were the case, of course he would have returned to school.

I think he just saw a quick payday...JMO

Otherwise why not perfect your craft when every mentor and expert says you should?

melbar 02-13-2009 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5487669)
And he was roundly abused for "never being able to win the big one."

Man, if it weren't for that ****ing smilie, I would go full grammar nazi.

Not winning the big one in a team game while playing well over 3 seasons is different from no experience and some off the field questions.

The last part is a movie quote...;)

DeezNutz 02-13-2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5487675)
I think he just saw a quick payday...JMO

Otherwise why not perfect your craft when every mentor and expert says you should?

I have no doubt that he wants to get paid. And I don't hold this against him in the least. If he can do it, God bless 'em.

Your second sentence is far from accurate. Get rid of the absolute language. "Every"? Not hardly.

You could say the same thing about Stafford. Return. When you've demonstrated enough, there's no need.

Different sport (and the analogy isn't perfect) but you used to hear the same thing about high school players jumping right to the League. James and Bryant. Why didn't they continue to work on their craft?

DeezNutz 02-13-2009 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5487689)
Not winning the big one in a team game while playing well over 3 seasons is different from no experience and some off the field questions.

The last part is a movie quote...

He has experience. And we can't talk about non-existent issues.

ChiefRon 02-13-2009 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5487675)
I think he just saw a quick payday...JMO

Otherwise why not perfect your craft when every mentor and expert says you should?

I'm not saying it wasn't for the money.

However, when you want to be the best, you want to compete with the best.

How do you know he didn't do it so he could get into the NFL and begin competing with the best?

Fits his profile...

Chiefnj2 02-13-2009 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5487656)
LMAO

And Gonzo says that Thigpen should be the starter.

Carroll has no reason, none what so ****ing ever, to have been pissed about Sanchez's decision to leave.

Think about this logically. Do you think Sanchez would have declared if he really believed, based on all the info presented to him, that he'd be a second rounder?

If this were the case, of course he would have returned to school.

Carroll came out and said that Sanchez received a 2nd round grade from the advisory committee and that after speaking with his NFL contacts it was much better for Mark to return. Why would Carroll lie about that? Sanchez never refuted it. Supposedly just about everyone told Sanchez to go back to school. He didn't listen and he has now hired his brother (an attorney who has never represented NFL prospects before) to be his agent. He's making some questionable decisions.

OnTheWarpath15 02-13-2009 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487596)
Not necessarily you, but what I've seen in general from the Sanchez backers the last month and a half:

- "History has no bearing on what will happen." People say that when trying to argue Sanchez's number of starts don't have a good bearing on whether he should be drafted at 3 or not. However, they will then say "history shows us spread quarterbacks suck" when trying to discredit a different QB. In other words, history matters when it supports my position.

Fair point

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487596)
- Before Sanchez declared it was Bradford has tons of talent around him. His receivers are always wide open. When someone says that about Sanchez it is shrugged off.

It's shrugged off because it's bullshit, and anyone that knows anything about college football or watched USC in more than the Rose Bowl knows this.

All of their talent is on the defensive side of the ball. I'd be curious to see what Mecca thinks of this, but I don't see a single 1st round talent on that offense other than Sanchez, and I'm not sure I see any 2nd round guys either. Patrick Turner is a late round guy, Scott Wright thinks he could go undrafted. There's no one on the OL that would warrant a pick before the 4th.

Fact is, he had very little talent around him. People assume because it's USC that they were stocked at every position - far from it on offense.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487596)
- Last year if someone dared to express the opinion that KC should draft someone that Scott Wright or Mayock had listed as the #8-10 player on their boards, people whined about what a huge reach it would be. Last I looked Wright had Sanchez at 7 or 8, which would mean it is a 4-5 space reach, but those same people no longer think it is a reach.

QB is the most important position on the field, and is subject to different rules, and you know it. As someone else pointed out recently, if you have the opportunity to draft what you think is a franchise QB at 3, and know that he won't be available at your next pick, you take him, even if it's considered a reach by fans and draft experts.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487596)
- A general dishonest analysis of any other player mentioned. I'll see Curry only has X sacks, he can't get to the QB. Maybe, or maybe he wasn't asked to. That would be like me saying Sanchez can't win when coming from behind. Well he wasn't in a position to play from behind on a great USC team. It doesn't mean he can't.

That's not dishonest at all, and your comparison is completely flawed.

Regarding Curry: If the kid was a phenomenal pass rusher, wouldn't it be stupid of the coaches to make the kids play in coverage? Do the Colts ask Peyton Manning to not throw the ball downfield? Hell no. Players are asked to do things that fit what they do best.

As for what you said about Sanchez, there are completely different factors that go into getting that opportunity. No one has any control over that situation, where the WF coaching staff has all the control when it comes to putting Curry in a position to succeed.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487596)
A majority of people who think they know so much about the draft are being the most closed minded people. It's like Voyager took possession of their soul and replaced Trevor Laws with Mark Sanchez.

I don't see people being close minded, I see people that stick to their beliefs, and the way this draft is shaking out, in concert with our needs, it makes it look like people are being closed minded.

Positional value hasn't changed since last year

There are 3 positions that are generally worth a Top 5 pick: QB, LT, DE

There is 1 QB that is consistently getting a Top 5 grade, and one that is getting a grade anywhere from 1-10.

There are 3 LT's that are getting a Top 10 grade. We already have our LTOTF.

There are no DE's getting a Top 10 grade.

That's what is putting the clamps on people.

ChiefRon 02-13-2009 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487702)
Carroll came out and said that Sanchez received a 2nd round grade from the advisory committee and that after speaking with his NFL contacts it was much better for Mark to return. Why would Carroll lie about that? Sanchez never refuted it. Supposedly just about everyone told Sanchez to go back to school. He didn't listen and he has now hired his brother (an attorney who has never represented NFL prospects before) to be his agent. He's making some questionable decisions.

Maybe he just wants to play football, and the business side is secondary?

Maybe he doesn't care if it's 1st or 2nd round (although I really doubt that)?

Maybe he saw Thigpen play and said, "How in the hell could the Chiefs pass on me?"

melbar 02-13-2009 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5487693)
I have no doubt that he wants to get paid. And I don't hold this against him in the least. If he can do it, God bless 'em.

Your second sentence is far from accurate. Get rid of the absolute language. "Every"? Not hardly.

You could say the same thing about Stafford. Return. When you've demonstrated enough, there's no need.

Different sport (and the analogy isn't perfect) but you used to hear the same thing about high school players jumping right to the League. James and Bryant. Why didn't they continue to work on their craft?

OK. Most. Better?

Yes, get the money and more power to you. But It doesnt mean he should be a top 5 pick or that he accomplished anywhere near what Peyton did in TN.

I think it can be said that College FB better prepares you for the Pro game. There is a lot more to learn in FB than BB from high school to the pros.


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