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Demonpenz 02-18-2009 11:16 AM
It seems like dorsey is a soft 300 hundy too, not a guy that really crushes at the point of attack

beach tribe 02-18-2009 11:17 AM
Turk Tank(for now) Dorsey.

I honestly think Dorsey will make a good end, and save your" He's not long enough" shit.

He can tie up blockers, or blast through them. We'll see.

Demonpenz 02-18-2009 11:17 AM
If we loose Hali we are going to have another Kwika mitchell scott fujita deal going on, where they leave and then play well

kaplin42 02-18-2009 11:17 AM
I love a 3-4 Defense. However, currently, we have maybe 2 or 3 front seven players that would actualy fit in a 3-4.

DJ could easily move to OLB in the 3-4, and I think if he can get his head wrapped around the scheme, I think he could truly excel as a pass rusher.

Dorsey I think if he put on just a little bit of weight would probably be good end.

And then after that, Im thinking that if you are a member of the front seven you had better be ready to be looking for a new team. The Chiefs would need 3 new starting LB (Ray Manaluga?) a NT and another end, cause I'm not sure Hali can cope with that spot, and frankly Tank and Turk are turds.

milkman 02-18-2009 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5503817)
Actually, his biggest problem was getting tangled with offensive linemen. He wasn't strong enough to play that way.

He will be a very good fit.
And why do you suppose he got tangled with O-Lineman?

It's because he lacked the speed to get around the edge, so he had to attempt to bull rush, or make the stupidest spin move inside that I think I've ever seen.

The guy is slow and lacks athleticism.

There's no way in hell he has the tools to play OLB in any scheme.

DeezNutz 02-18-2009 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5503788)
Yeah, remember that when he is going to the Pro Bowl. If anyone is happy about this, it has to be Hali. This is a perfect fit for him.

He is a much better player than most Chiefs fans realize.

He will be freed up to make plays all over the field, and he will.

Turk and Boone make very good 3-4 ends.

Dorsey will be fine at NT, Edwards and Tank are good backups at the position.

If anyone is happy, it has to be Hali. This is the perfect defense for his skill set.

DJ should move inside where he will be allowed to use his range.

If the season were starting today, I think Brian Johnston would be given the first shot to be a starting OLB.

Carr and Flowers will be allowed to be more physical at the LOS.

The Chiefs will add some pieces, but the pieces they have fit better than some here realize.
So the very same personnel that recorded a record low in sacks is now going to be magically fixed in the 3-4?

Are you high? No one is this much of a homer.

The talent on this roster is a ****ing joke. The sooner you come to grips with this, the happier you'll be as a fan.

Demonpenz 02-18-2009 11:18 AM
with the 3-4 we can move pollard up to the inside

Messier 02-18-2009 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5503784)
No he's not.

The OLB has to have the speed to get around the edge, and the primary reason that Hali failed at RDE is that he didn't have the speed to get around the edge, so he was easy to contain.
He has a good burst, and a good motor. He was having problems taking on a T one on one from a down position.

Demonpenz 02-18-2009 11:20 AM
We are going to move pollard up to the inside, have derrick johnson be rush outside line backer, hali the other outside linebacker, tank turk and dorsey on the inside. Carr flowers on the corner, morgan and Mcgraw at safteys then draft up from there. Sounds likea good start

Demonpenz 02-18-2009 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5503836)
He has a good burst, and a good motor. He was having problems taking on a T one on one from a down position.
they were talking about that on 810 awhile back, hali's moves coming from a stand up position are enhanced and gives him more options

milkman 02-18-2009 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5503836)
He has a good burst, and a good motor. He was having problems taking on a T one on one from a down position.
I had nearly the same exact argument last year when he was moved to RDE.

I said he lacked the speed to get around the edge, and that the LT would not respect his outside rush, and that he would be manhandled by the LT.

Everyone said I was wrong, that he'd be fine there.

He simply is not a good fit at any position in a 34.

Demonpenz 02-18-2009 11:22 AM
If we do grab Curry or megula that just really sells me on the 3-4

Ebolapox 02-18-2009 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5503789)
Don't Seymore and Warren make pretty good coin for the Pats?
seymour doesn't play one position... he shuffles around the line for them (they run a hybrid defense--they'll have the 3-4 look, then the 4-3 look, etc)... as far as warren, I'll let mike reiss tell it for me...

Quote:
Originally Posted by mike reiss
Warren revisited
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff

When the Patriots agreed to a five-year contract extension with
defensive end Ty Warren last week, we reported that the deal extended
through the 2011 season. Not so. The deal actually extends through 2013.

This is a significant point, because it means Warren is under contract
to the Patriots for the next seven seasons, not the next five.

Warren received a $7 million signing bonus and $7 million option bonus
as part of the extension. The extension includes $18 million in
guarantees. The three-year average of new money is $7.4 million.

The base salaries break down as follows:

# 2007 -- $1.075 million

# 2008 -- $1.45 million

# 2009 -- $1.225 million

# 2010 -- $2.9 million

# 2011 -- $3.1 million

# 2012 -- $3.25 million

# 2013 -- $3.90 million
doesn't seem that ridiculous of a contract. certainly not the mountain of cash that we've paid dorsey to become completely obsolete in our 'new defense.'

this is all for naught, though, because 1) this article is purely speculation, and 2) at worse, we'll go to a 4-3 3-4 hybrid defense (like the patriots--we'll run a base 4-3 with a 3-4 look, IMO)

see how that went? base speculation. and I didn't even get paid for it!

Ebolapox 02-18-2009 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by H5N1 (Post 5503852)
seymour doesn't play one position... he shuffles around the line for them (they run a hybrid defense--they'll have the 3-4 look, then the 4-3 look, etc)... as far as warren, I'll let mike reiss tell it for me...



doesn't seem that ridiculous of a contract. certainly not the mountain of cash that we've paid dorsey to become completely obsolete in our 'new defense.'

this is all for naught, though, because 1) this article is purely speculation, and 2) at worse, we'll go to a 4-3 3-4 hybrid defense (like the patriots--we'll run a base 4-3 with a 3-4 look, IMO)

see how that went? base speculation. and I didn't even get paid for it!
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg00999.html

Messier 02-18-2009 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5503844)
I had nearly the same exact argument last year when he was moved to RDE.

I said he lacked the speed to get around the edge, and that the LT would not respect his outside rush, and that he would be manhandled by the LT.

Everyone said I was wrong, that he'd be fine there.

He simply is not a good fit at any position in a 34.
He will be tried there at the OLB if they move to 3-4. I'm just saying they won't let him go. I think he'll be a good fit there. So we both have our takes firmly established.


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