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kcfanXIII 03-08-2009 06:39 PM

if he wrote this about the real media, and not just the sports media, i could agree. how in the hell did he get from trying to rebuild a football franchise to the iraq war? sorry, if it doesn't work out pioli isn't responsible for the deaths of thousands of our soldiers. this is pure garbage.

Halfcan 03-08-2009 06:40 PM

Jwitt needs to find another job.

FringeNC 03-08-2009 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5566668)
Safeest in that he (Cassel) has already shown that he can play in the NFL, and showed improvement from his first game to his last.

And I highly doubt that he will be held to a higher standard with Cassel because of the very fact that, unlike Sanchez and Stafford, he has done it in the NFL.

If anything, he will be excused because he went the safe route.

I disagree. If we give up the 34th pick and make Cassel one of the highest paid players in the league (which I'm assuming we'll do), Pioli is placing a big bet here. If Cassel doesn't perform at a Pro Bowl level, Pioli's reputation is going to take a huge hit. Pioli didn't trade for Cassel because he was the safe choice, he traded for him because he thought he was the best choice. Not saying he is right or wrong, but there is nothing safe about in my opinon.

Now had he gone the rookie route, there is the incubation period for rookie QBs, plus the built-in excuse that there are quite a few 1st round QB flops. There is very little pressure on Pioli in that scenario for at least two years. By acquiring Cassel, the pressure is on he and Pioli to perform well from day one.

jAZ 03-08-2009 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566614)
Because you may have missed it....

The Chiefs had a media conference call with Cassel; because he couldn't be there. However, during the call Matt said he was in the same building as the reporters and wasn't allowed to meet with them. The TV cameras ran down the hall a got footage of him leaving another room where he called from.

If Carl had done the same thing this board explodes. I just hope we don't give someone a free pass because he is the new guy.

By the way, I did miss that.

And where ever it comes from, it's crazy as hell to lie to the media in a situation like that. It's definately not a good start. I suspect media relations and privacy are going to be a whole new world.

I don't think it reflects on the football stuff though. His mere hiring earns him a full year or two of "wait and see" freedom.

And as such, I'll defend the need to "wait and see".

While I think that stunt is outright stuipd, it doesn't impact my faith in Pioli's football abilities. They are completely different things.

That he's acting like BB (even the bad parts) is a good thing in my mind. Until proven otherwise, I'll wait and see on the football side.

Mojo Jojo 03-08-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 5566681)
Isn't that more Belicheck rather than Carl Peterson? But no doubt, if Carl had pulled that at any time after the "5 year plan" expired... he'd be crushed.

So Scott acts because that is the way BB did it? However I agree with you.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-08-2009 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566666)
The first part of your post is correct. How may times in the past ten years have we heard that if this was any market outside of KC Carl would be hung out to dry. Now it is wrong because the KC media and/or fans may ask a question?
Come on DCS you are better than that post.

I said "they should open up the door a little more". What are you disagreeing with exactly?

milkman 03-08-2009 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5566699)
I disagree. If we give up the 34th pick and make Cassel one of the highest paid players in the league (which I'm assuming we'll do), Pioli is placing a big bet here. If Cassel doesn't perform at a Pro Bowl level, Pioli's reputation is going to take a huge hit. Pioli didn't trade for Cassel because he was the safe choice, he traded for him because he thought he was the best choice. Not saying he is right or wrong, but there is nothing safe about in my opinon.

Now had he gone the rookie route, there is the incubation period for rookie QBs, plus the built-in excuse that there are quite a few 1st round QB flops. There is very little pressure on Pioli in that scenario for at least two years. By acquiring Cassel, the pressure is on he and Pioli to perform well from day one.

I disagree.
Cassel is his free pass.

He went out and traded for the hot commodity, the NFL proven commodity.
If he turns out to be a one year wonder, then how was Pioli supposed to know that?

If he drafts a QB, and that QB busts, then they question why he drafted that QB when he could have taken a safer position.

ChiefsCountry 03-08-2009 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5566682)
I'm sorry, but as much as I was opposed to the Cassel trade, I hope, as Messier does, that Cassel gives us ten years+ of top tier QB play.

He's ours, for better or worse, so hoping for anything less would just be stupid.

I agree, don't like the move but hopefully he delivers us a Super Bowl.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-08-2009 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5566699)
I disagree. If we give up the 34th pick and make Cassel one of the highest paid players in the league (which I'm assuming we'll do), Pioli is placing a big bet here. If Cassel doesn't perform at a Pro Bowl level, Pioli's reputation is going to take a huge hit. Pioli didn't trade for Cassel because he was the safe choice, he traded for him because he thought he was the best choice. Not saying he is right or wrong, but there is nothing safe about in my opinon.

Now had he gone the rookie route, there is the incubation period for rookie QBs, plus the built-in excuse that there are quite a few 1st round QB flops. There is very little pressure on Pioli in that scenario for at least two years. By acquiring Cassel, the pressure is on he and Pioli to perform well from day one.

And that's exactly why I believe Cassel is Pioli's hedged bet.

I mean, let's be realistic here; Croyle, Martin, and Gray are going to be a part of this roster? Hell, Thigpen might end up traded or on the waiver wire. I'd LIKE to think that my new Head Coach has an eye for seeing true talent Vs. "fill the roster", yes?

We'll see. That's all I can ultimately say.

DeezNutz 03-08-2009 07:00 PM

Is it possible for this board to expunge the term "safe" when talking about a ****ing draft pick?

FringeNC 03-08-2009 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5566726)
I disagree.
Cassel is his free pass.

He went out and traded for the hot commodity, the NFL proven commodity.
If he turns out to be a one year wonder, then how was Pioli supposed to know that?

If he drafts a QB, and that QB busts, then they question why he drafted that QB when he could have taken a safer position.

Who is going to give Pioli a free pass with Cassel?

Messier 03-08-2009 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566710)
So Scott acts because that is the way BB did it? However I agree with you.

You've somehow got it in your head that Pioli isn't his own man, and that he was just a BB yes man. I don't know how everything was run in NE, but I'm gonna go ahead and guess that you don't either. I'll go with the general opinion of the NFL community that Pioli is a great football man, and was one of, if not the best candidate to be promoted to GM.

Mojo Jojo 03-08-2009 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5566726)
I disagree.
Cassel is his free pass.

He went out and traded for the hot commodity, the NFL proven commodity.
If he turns out to be a one year wonder, then how was Pioli supposed to know that?

If he drafts a QB, and that QB busts, then they question why he drafted that QB when he could have taken a safer position.

Steve Puellar, Steve Bono, Scott Mitchell, Jeff Hosterler etc... all good NFL back up QB's on good teams who went to other teams as the starter. A NFL hot commodity is nothing more than the flavor of the day. John Elway, Dan Marino, Phil Simms, Peyton Manning etc. were not traded for as back ups. Only Eli was acquired in a trade and I don't think the Chiefs have the #1 pick this year.

Pioli is doing the same thing Carl did. However; now it's the right way to build a team.

Halfcan 03-08-2009 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5566726)
I disagree.
Cassel is his free pass.

He went out and traded for the hot commodity, the NFL proven commodity.
If he turns out to be a one year wonder, then how was Pioli supposed to know that?

If he drafts a QB, and that QB busts, then they question why he drafted that QB when he could have taken a safer position.

exactly :clap:

Mojo Jojo 03-08-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5566752)
You've somehow got it in your head that Pioli isn't his own man, and that he was just a BB yes man. I don't know how everything was run in NE, but I'm gonna go ahead and guess that you don't either. I'll go with the general opinion of the NFL community that Pioli is a great football man, and was one of, if not the best candidate to be promoted to GM.

Once again...20 Years ago CP was the hottest GM candidate in the NFL. Three teams including the Chiefs were pursuing him. What is different today? Carl had a history of success...Scott has a history of success. Please I just want the freedom to question someone. That is what makes boards fun.


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