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StcChief 03-10-2009 12:37 PM
Cassell can plan Proset/Shotgun(spread).
Thiggy could learn proset ... sense he's #2 man....Just college QB that hasn't had to do it.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5569988)
Footballoutsiders.com

All About the System

Between new GM Scott Pioli and new head coach Todd Haley, I'd say that Cassel is actually in the perfect environment to make a real go of it. In his time working with Bill Belichick in New England, Pioli got a front-row view of Cassel's strengths and weaknesses. And when he helped the Cardinals to the Super Bowl last year as Arizona's offensive coordinator, Haley ran an extremely productive attack with a lot of shotgun sets. This is where Cassel will thrive.

In 2008, Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner threw 598 regular-season passes. 412 of them were in a shotgun formation. That's 69.8 percent of his attempts, which would have been high for just about any other quarterback -- except for Cassel. Of Cassel's 516 attempts in 2008, 405 came from the shotgun -- an astonishing 78 percent. Both the Cardinals and Patriots are used to shotgun, three-wide sets with three receivers, and Kansas City's use of the Pistol formation, with quarterback Tyler Thigpen last season, gave tight end Tony Gonzalez unprecedented opportunities that he could very well see again.

There are times when players go from system to system and lose whatever it was that made them great. Matt Cassel is fortunate in that he's going to a system that perfectly fits what he's done before. He would have been a question mark in a power offense, but Kansas City will take to the air, and they have the right quarterback for the job.
Yeah, I wish it had mentioned more about his mobility and some other things... but it conveys the main part of my argument.

RustShack 03-10-2009 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by StcChief (Post 5570318)
Cassell can plan Proset/Shotgun(spread).
Thiggy could learn proset ... sense he's #2 man....Just college QB that hasn't had to do it.
Thats why most spread QB's end up being busts.. it takes a lot more to run a Pro Style offense than you think. Yeah sure he might learn it eventually... but it takes years making Thigpen a major project. He has a pretty average arm and isn't accurate so its a waste.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5570297)
the pats didn't get any cap relief from the vrabel trade???? was I misinformed???
No, Darth Carl was talking about the other guys we got...CJ Jones and the other guy giving the Pats roster room and cap space. It was in another thread.

The Pats got cap space in the trade for Vrabel and Cassel. They also didn't have to pay a million dollar roster bonus that was due to Vrabel. They saved nearly 20 million with both guys being traded.

RustShack 03-10-2009 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5570327)
Thats why most spread QB's end up being busts.. it takes a lot more to run a Pro Style offense than you think. Yeah sure he might learn it eventually... but it takes years making Thigpen a major project. He has a pretty average arm and isn't accurate so its a waste.
Oh on top of that Cassel learned from Brady and Belichick whereas Thigpen learned from Huard, Herm, and Curl. Cassel is 6'4" Thigpen is 6'1" Cassels arm is a little stronger and is more accurate. I personally would have rather had Stafford still, but outside mobility Cassel is better than Thigpen in every way.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5570313)
He was near the top before that game but hey keep trying.
LJ played five games before he was suspended. He was NOT leading the NFL in yards when he got suspended and it wasn't until after he was suspended that the Chiefs went to the spread.

He had 74 yards against NE, 22 against Oakland, 121 Against Atlanta, 198 against Denver, and 2 yards against Carolina. Or, an average of 83 yards a game. That was NOT leading the league. Subtract out the inflated stats against Denver, and he was averaging 55 yards a game.

But, he was suspended for the Titans game. And, the Chiefs started using the spread in the NY game, I believe... because Huard got hurt in the Titans game.

LJ's lack of production and subsequent absence are HUGE parts of why the Chiefs went to the spread.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5570343)
Oh on top of that Cassel learned from Brady and Belichick whereas Thigpen learned from Huard, Herm, and Curl. Cassel is 6'4" Thigpen is 6'1" Cassels arm is a little stronger and is more accurate. I personally would have rather had Stafford still, but outside mobility Cassel is better than Thigpen in every way.
I think you are WAY off on your assertion that Cassel has a stronger arm. I think Thigpen's arm is stronger.

And, Thigpen at 6'1" is only an inch shorter than Stafford.

We agree in that we would both like to have Stafford. That said, I like Cassel because I think he is a very good fit.

RustShack 03-10-2009 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5570360)
I think you are WAY off on your assertion that Cassel has a stronger arm. I think Thigpen's arm is stronger.

And, Thigpen at 6'1" is only an inch shorter than Stafford.

We agree in that we would both like to have Stafford. That said, I like Cassel because I think he is a very good fit.
No way is Thigpens wobble launcher any stronger than Cassels.

keg in kc 03-10-2009 12:58 PM
Regardless of strength (although my vote would be Cassel there), Cassel is a good deal more accurate than Thigpen.

Sully 03-10-2009 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5570244)
They didn't run the spread option, but they did run the spread offense.
New England and Arizona didn't.
Kansas City, at times, did.

The shotgun does not = the spread.

RustShack 03-10-2009 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 5570395)
New England and Arizona didn't.
Kansas City, at times, did.

The shotgun does not = the spread.
I giggle when people say the Patriots and Cardinals run the spread.

LMAO

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5570364)
No way is Thigpens wobble launcher any stronger than Cassels.
I still disagree. I think the difference is that Thigpen's fundamentals breakdown. That is where Cassel has the upper hand.

Most of the time, it will come down to fundamentals. And, on film, at times it looks like Thigpen's arm is weak because of a lack of fundamentals.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 5570395)
New England and Arizona didn't.
Kansas City, at times, did.

The shotgun does not = the spread.
The spread does not equal the spread option. And, YES, both NE and Arizona DID run the spread offense.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5570393)
Regardless of strength (although my vote would be Cassel there), Cassel is a good deal more accurate than Thigpen.
Comes down to fundamentals. But, I agree with you.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5570399)
I giggle when people say the Patriots and Cardinals run the spread.

LMAO
I laugh when people try to say they didn't. It is clear that they have a limited understanding of what the spread offense actually is. I laugh even harder at those ignorant people who think they are laughing at more informed people.

But, ignorance is bliss, so that must be why those people are giggling.


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