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AustinChief 04-08-2009 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5652471)
Yeah, and Jake Long was a great pick at #1, and we should spend a mid-rounder on that douchebag from Michigan with 50 career tackles who put up a good bench # at his pro day even though he wasn't even a combine invite despite playing at a major school.
Just to drive my point home..

Here are the predictions I can remember from last year before the draft....

I stated that Henne wouldn't make it to the 3rd round, I said Long was NOT a RT but a legit LT .. worth the #5 pick.

I said something about Flacco... who I really liked, but I think by then his stock was already rising and that was a no brainer...

So far my record is a helluva lot better than most...

htismaqe 04-08-2009 07:56 PM
Wow, Kyle breaks out of his shell!

AustinChief 04-08-2009 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5652471)
Yeah, and Jake Long was a great pick at #1, and we should spend a mid-rounder on that douchebag from Michigan with 50 career tackles who put up a good bench # at his pro day even though he wasn't even a combine invite despite playing at a major school.

And.. let's look at the only other opinion I can find that I posted before last years draft...

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If Dorsey falls to us, I want another 2nd rounder and a move back...
Now I HOPE I am wrong and he turns into a beast... but looking back... would you take a trade DOWN instead of Dorsey now?

So, no to be overly confident... but take your smug attitude toward my "crazy" opinions elsewhere...

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-08-2009 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5652527)
If you'll remember I argued that Long would be great to get at #5 (our pick) and I was dead right. DESPITE, many on here claiming he could only play RT... and of course, looking back I think he IS a great pick at #1... but again, that was never the original argument...

..and now I get to be PROJECTED to be wrong on someone I thought we should spend a FOURTH round pick on...

Why don't you start by proving me WRONG first.. then project me to be wrong...

Just because Mecca (and I am assuming you) still can't admit you were wrong on Jake Long, doesn't mean you can "bully" me into thinking I don't know what I SEE.

Fact is, THE REST OF THE ****ING NFL knows Jake Long is a good LT and will only get better... deal with it.

Man up. admit being wrong and quit acting like GoChiefs
Good LT's don't need running backs and tight ends to help them out. Jake Long will never be more than a slightly above average LT who gets pwned by speed rushers.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-08-2009 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5652799)
And.. let's look at the only other opinion I can find that I posted before last years draft...



Now I HOPE I am wrong and he turns into a beast... but looking back... would you take a trade DOWN instead of Dorsey now?

So, no to be overly confident... but take your smug attitude toward my "crazy" opinions elsewhere...
Glenn Dorsey isn't any less talented than he was last year. It's not his fault that we had a stupid coaching staff playing him out of position.

But let's remove Dorsey from the equation. If you had the option of Long, Albert, or Clady at 5, knowing what you know now, only a moron would take Jake Long.

ChiefsCountry 04-08-2009 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5652975)
But let's remove Dorsey from the equation. If you had the option of Long, Albert, or Clady at 5, knowing what you know now, only a moron would take Jake Long.
Or a Michigan homer. :p

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-08-2009 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5652799)
And.. let's look at the only other opinion I can find that I posted before last years draft...



Now I HOPE I am wrong and he turns into a beast... but looking back... would you take a trade DOWN instead of Dorsey now?

So, no to be overly confident... but take your smug attitude toward my "crazy" opinions elsewhere...
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5088555)
Bradford isn't even the THIRD best QB in the big 12...

Daniel, Harrell and McCoy are all better QBs

chiefs1111 04-08-2009 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5652975)
Glenn Dorsey isn't any less talented than he was last year. It's not his fault that we had a stupid coaching staff playing him out of position.

But let's remove Dorsey from the equation. If you had the option of Long, Albert, or Clady at 5, knowing what you know now, only a moron would take Jake Long.
Im very happy we got Albert, I think he will be a great LT for years to come. Which is why ill never understand why people keep saying to take one at #3 and move Albert to RT. It just doesn't make any sense too me at all.

htismaqe 04-08-2009 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 5652982)
Im very happy we got Albert, I think he will be a great LT for years to come. Which is why ill never understand why people keep saying to take one at #3 and move Albert to RT. It just doesn't make any sense too me at all.
Or worse, move him to guard. :Lin:

AustinChief 04-08-2009 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5652975)
Glenn Dorsey isn't any less talented than he was last year. It's not his fault that we had a stupid coaching staff playing him out of position.
I hope you are right... but so far I think MOST people would agree that he hasn't shown us anything worth the #5 pick...

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But let's remove Dorsey from the equation. If you had the option of Long, Albert, or Clady at 5, knowing what you know now, only a moron would take Jake Long.
No I would still take Long if I HAD to take one of the three (hint: so would ANY currently employed NFL GM), but otherwise KNOWING what I know now, I would trade down and take Albert.

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Good LT's don't need running backs and tight ends to help them out. Jake Long will never be more than a slightly above average LT who gets pwned by speed rushers.
I love how you make this stuff up...

#1 every LT gets help on occasion... LONG didn't get an inordinate amount.. and the BURDEN OF PROOF for your inane statement rests on you... show me a factual account of all his plays and compare him against other LTs and how much help was given as a percentage based on type of play (run or pass) Otherwise, it seems you are making this up to support a previously failed argument.

#2 How many MORE ProBowls does Long need to go to before you admit being wrong?

#3 How is it that you and Mecca know so much more than the rest of the people WORKING in the NFL right now? Bill Parcells seems to think he is a worthy LT, so would damn near any GM asked about him.

AustinChief 04-08-2009 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5652981)
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Originally Posted by AustinChief http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
Bradford isn't even the THIRD best QB in the big 12...

Daniel, Harrell and McCoy are all better QBs
Um, yay, I guess you got me... in a discussion that was not really a draft predictions thread.. but one that turned into a bunch of guys pimping Bradford... (nice try)

Yes my statement was a bit over the top... but it was simply meant to say Bradford sucks... which I firmly believe. I also didn't make any statement regarding ANY of those QBs as NFL caliber I reserve the right to reevaluate all of them after another YEAR in school...

Oh and that was from this last October...

Can you give me one DRAFT comment from LAST year? Seems I was right on Henne, Long, Flacco and Dorsey...

AustinChief 04-08-2009 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5653016)
Can you give me one DRAFT comment from LAST year? Seems I was right on Henne, Long, Flacco and Dorsey...
It is gonna be hard... because unlike quite a few people here.. I try to only talk shite about things I KNOW....

I honestly can't remember any other tangible comments from before the 08 draft... except those....

AustinChief 04-08-2009 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5652986)
Or worse, move him to guard. :Lin:
No, I think moving him to RT is far worse... he would be an amazing LG... probably a waste since he is a solid LT already.

The only way I don't bitch and moan is if we couldn't trade down no matter what... and we took Monroe and paired them next to each other again... I wouldn't be happy but I could see the logic of having two guys with their chemistry together for the next 10 years on that side of the line.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-08-2009 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5653002)
I hope you are right... but so far I think MOST people would agree that he hasn't shown us anything worth the #5 pick...



No I would still take Long if I HAD to take one of the three (hint: so would ANY currently employed NFL GM), but otherwise KNOWING what I know now, I would trade down and take Albert.



I love how you make this stuff up...

#1 every LT gets help on occasion... LONG didn't get an inordinate amount.. and the BURDEN OF PROOF for your inane statement rests on you... show me a factual account of all his plays and compare him against other LTs and how much help was given as a percentage based on type of play (run or pass) Otherwise, it seems you are making this up to support a previously failed argument.

#2 How many MORE ProBowls does Long need to go to before you admit being wrong?

#3 How is it that you and Mecca know so much more than the rest of the people WORKING in the NFL right now? Bill Parcells seems to think he is a worthy LT, so would damn near any GM asked about him.
#1) The only LTs who get help are LTs who can't handle the guy in front of them. I don't recall a prime Walter Jones, Willie Roaf, Orlando Pace, Jonathon Ogden, Anthony Munoz, or Erik Williams needing help. (If an LT goes #1, he better be like those guys).

#2) I'd say 4 more, so that he proves he's as good as the currently unemployed 5 time Pro Bowler Roy Williams, since Pro Bowls are obvious measures of merit.

#3) I guess I missed the meeting where appealing to authority is now not a logical fallacy and that we shouldn't have opinions about decisions that GM's make. Bill Parcells also thought that Marcus Spears and Bobby Carpenter were worth 1st rounders and he traded down to pass on Stephen Jackson so that he could have Julius Jones, so he's obviously a genious, given that he has <del>15, 10, 5, 3, 2, 1<del> 0 playoff wins without Bill Belichick.</del></del>

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-08-2009 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5653042)
It is gonna be hard... because unlike quite a few people here.. I try to only talk shite about things I KNOW....

I honestly can't remember any other tangible comments from before the 08 draft... except those....
Like saying that Texas had more NFL talent than USC? And claiming that Rod Wright (7th rounder) and Jonathan Scott (5th rounder) were 1st round talents?

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