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DeezNutz 07-12-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5896110)
Most 3-4 OLB's have never played the position before.

Great point, but most are also athletic freaks of nature.

Hali? Yeah, not at all.

Mecca 07-12-2009 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5896110)
Most 3-4 OLB's have never played the position before. Hali at least was used as a stand up rusher at times with Penn St. I really don't think he will be great, but I think back at his normal playing weight he will be serviceable and maybe even healthy.

The difference is most ends that go to 3-4 OLB, are undersized speed rushers with great natural athletic gifts. Tamba Hali isn't that...go back and look at his draft workout numbers...

Titty Meat 07-12-2009 05:40 PM

The thing about Hali is I remember in 06' when Gunther would use the Falcon defense which looked like a 3-4 Hali did good but he wasn't asked to cover. Which is why he's not an every down 3-4 player. Williams should start and Hali should play obvious throwing downs.

Mecca 07-12-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5896117)
The thing about Hali is I remember in 06' when Gunther would use the Falcon defense which looked like a 3-4 Hali did good but he wasn't asked to cover. Which is why he's not an every down 3-4 player. Williams should start and Hali should play obvious throwing downs.

Williams is really small to be lining up like that....I don't think he has a position.

Hammock Parties 07-12-2009 05:44 PM

Beisel would start if Hali didn't.

RustShack 07-12-2009 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5896119)
Williams is really small to be lining up like that....I don't think he has a position.

I actually like Williams at ILB a lot even though he is a bit undersized.

acesn8s 07-12-2009 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 5896039)
that doesnt matter to pioli. he will be the greatest non-nt nt ever drafted by the chiefs

Are we drafting players to play a position that they have never played again?:grr:

Just Passin' By 07-12-2009 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5896050)
I'm curious why people don't think he can be, yet those people want Tyler to be. Magee is an inch taller and weighs about five pounds less right now with room to grow...

I haven't seen enough of him to evaluate him personally. My references were based upon what the team's doing with him. However, you really want to see 325 lbs or more on the nose in today's game. When you look at the best NTs in the game (guys like Ngata, Wilfork, Hampton and Williams), you're looking at a whole lot of beef on the hoof.

RustShack 07-12-2009 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5896155)
I haven't seen enough of him to evaluate him personally. My references were based upon what the team's doing with him. However, you really want to see 325 lbs or more on the nose in today's game. When you look at the best NTs in the game (guys like Ngata, Wilfork, Hampton and Williams), you're looking at a whole lot of beef on the hoof.

Thats why I don't think he will be one this year if ever, but hes also shorter than you want your DE's too.

Micjones 07-12-2009 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 5895799)
Getting rid of Tg was a ****ing stupid move. Stupid I tell ya. He has had his best years as of late and would have taken a lot of pressure off Cassel.

I don't wanna second guess the decision at this point, but I am concerned about this offense without a 2nd reliable pass-catcher. If Bradley could stay healthy we'd be golden, but the odds aren't in our favor.

Who knows if Haley can make something of Webb or Darling.

I am somewhat excited about what Engram brings to this offense, but he's meant to play in the slot. We need a healthy, reliable, and productive #2. Either that's you Mark Bradley...or someone needs to be on the phone with Matt Jones or someone else still available.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-12-2009 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5896492)
I don't wanna second guess the decision at this point, but I am concerned about this offense without a 2nd reliable pass-catcher. If Bradley could stay healthy we'd be golden, but the odds aren't in our favor.

Who knows if Haley can make something of Webb or Darling.

I am somewhat excited about what Engram brings to this offense, but he's meant to play in the slot. We need a healthy, reliable, and productive #2. Either that's you Mark Bradley...or someone needs to be on the phone with Matt Jones or someone else still available.

I'm surprised someone hasn't signed Jones already.

Micjones 07-12-2009 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5896502)
I'm surprised someone hasn't signed Jones already.

I'm more surprised that Haley's content with the pieces he has at WR.
He must be supremely confident in his ability to get the most out of them.
I'm not so sure...

I'm really hoping I'm way off here and that this is much less pressing than I believe it to be now.

We'll see once the pre-season starts...
Jones would definitely be on speed dial though.

RustShack 07-12-2009 08:55 PM

Bowe, Bradley, and Engram can be a pretty deadly trio. Hell DVD as a fourth option isn't bad at all either.

Titty Meat 07-12-2009 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5896560)
I'm more surprised that Haley's content with the pieces he has at WR.
He must be supremely confident in his ability to get the most out of them.
I'm not so sure...

I'm really hoping I'm way off here and that this is much less pressing than I believe it to be now.

We'll see once the pre-season starts...
Jones would definitely be on speed dial though.

What do ya mean? I've said this before this is the best WR core the Chiefs have had in sometime. Bowe is a beast, Bradley can stretch the field, and Engram is money on 3rd down. If the Chiefs can get any production from LJ & Charles this will be a good offense.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-12-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5896560)
I'm more surprised that Haley's content with the pieces he has at WR.
He must be supremely confident in his ability to get the most out of them.
I'm not so sure...

I'm really hoping I'm way off here and that this is much less pressing than I believe it to be now.

We'll see once the pre-season starts...
Jones would definitely be on speed dial though.

I'm thinking camp and full pads are all they're waiting on in terms of making a final decision. That said, if they can get a good price they should jump now because Jones' problems are the kind that can be fixed much easier than the others on that list.


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