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Frankie 10-05-2009 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by synthesis2 (Post 6140372)
Ok, assuming we have a top 3 pick which I'm sure we will, the O-line is the biggest issue, along with a lot of other issues but that is first. So why not do this.

1st- Best Tackle
2nd- Best Guard
2nd - Best Guard

3-7 fill in the blanks.

This would put us in a good situation and would have a good line for the next 8-10 years, assuming none of them have career ending injuries.

1- LT (move Albert to LG and Waters to RG)
2- RT
2- Speedy WR who can get open.
3- RB, TE, or S (the best of the bunch available)
4- C
5- (From list on 3)
6- BAA
7- BAA

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-05-2009 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6141039)
Because the value, and perception of the safety position is changing. We are watching the evolution of the way that position is looked at in todays NFL. They are going to begin being drafted higher, and paid more. People are starting to recognize their value, and impact on the game. Todays safeties are becoming huge playmakers, and are moving into the realm of game changers.

This is a fair argument. With Reed, Sanders, and Polamalu all making impact on championship teams it looks like it may have influenced the Draft in 06 and 07. Huff, Whitner, Allen, Landry, Griffin, Nelson, and Meriweather were all picked relatively high though just 3 of them went in the top 15. However if you look at the last two drafts--though maybe thin at Safety--only Kenny Phillips went in the first round as the 31st pick. I don't see enough evidence in this trend to really change my argument

beach tribe 10-05-2009 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6141052)
"Playmaker" is in the eye of the beholder. If KC had a RT who could neutralize a guy like Kiwanuka/Tuck for an entire game, why isn't he a "playmaker"?

a RT doing his job, is not a Gamechanger.
Yes, we need a RT very badly, but the only reason we value a RT so much is because ours are just flat out horrible. A good one should not be very hard to find. We just didn't address it hard enough.

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6141107)
a RT doing his job, is not a Gamechanger.
Yes, we need a RT very badly, but the only reason we value a RT so much is because ours are just flat out horrible. A good one should not be very hard to find. We just didn't address it hard enough.

If you could leave that RT alone on an island for an entire game against someone like Tuck, how is he not a gamechanger? You don't have to worry about protection as much, you can run behind him, you don't have to have a TE help him, you don't have to have a HB chip him. It completely opens up your offense to do more.

beach tribe 10-05-2009 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6140881)
I really hate the argument "how many championships did we win with a dominant OL in the 90's."

Other than a really good OL, what else don't we need?

We didn't win any championships with Allen or DT, so I guess KC doesn't need a good pass rusher.

We didn't win any championships with TG, so I guess we don't need a really good TE.

We didn't win any championships with Saleamua on the line, so I guess we don't need a NT.

We didn't win any championships with Carter and Hasty at CB, so I guess we don't need any really good corners.

We didn't win any championships with Cherry or Albert, so I guess we don't need any really good DBs.

We didn't win any championships with Holmes, so I guess we don't need a HB who can score 20+ TDs a year.

We don't have any of the above, so I guess we're set. We'll start winning real soon.

This is true. It's not the offenses fault that we had absolutely 0 talent on defense during the Vermeil years. If we would have had a top 18 D on those teams, we probably would have gotten a Lombardi.

beach tribe 10-05-2009 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6141113)
If you could leave that RT alone on an island for an entire game against someone like Tuck, how is he not a gamechanger? You don't have to worry about protection as much, you can run behind him, you don't have to have a TE help him, you don't have to have a HB chip him. It completely opens up your offense to do more.

I agree with you, but guys like Polomalu, Reed, B. Sanders, get your offense the ball back, and make huge plays, and are a hell of a lot harder to find than a good RT.
Don't think I'm downplaying the importance of a good RT. I'm really not. I'm just saying that I would be cool with them taking Berry with a top 5. I would not be cool with them taking a RT that high. Yeah, when we played the Giants, they have a good pass rusher on the Ds Left side, but most teams only have a premier pass rusher, on their right.
Now if Albert doesn't improve, I would be cool with taking a LT that high, and putting Albert at RT or guard.
IF....he doesn't get better at LT that is.

MVChiefFan 10-05-2009 09:13 AM

I'm just a little pissed that there are TWO stud safeties that will be there. Because you know we're going to draft the Ryan Sims of safeties.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-05-2009 09:20 AM

Okay, assuming the Chiefs will be top ten... which is a possibility because Athan informed us all that the Chiefs making the playoffs is now a pipedream......

I don't want a WR.... because I want AJ green in 2011. Not kidding here. I would trade up to get this kid. I just wish he could come out after this year. I am afraid that the Chiefs may be drafting too low in 2011 to have a shot...

I don't want a QB.... in the first round because I think Matt Cassel can do the job.

I don't want a TE.... because there is NO TE worthy of a top ten pick.

I don't want a RB because they have a short shelf life and teams can find one later in the draft.

I don't want a safety, because I think that it is rare to find a safety worthy of a top ten pick.

I would prefer not to get a LT.... because I feel like Albert can be a good LT, and the Chiefs can solve the RT problems later in the draft.

I don't want a CB because I think that is one of the Chiefs's strongest positions.

Guard, center and fullback would be ridiculous.

So, that leaves us with NT and linebacker. As much as I would like a huge NT to take up space, this defense needs playmakers.

Considering you can find good ILB talent later in the draft, I think the Chiefs have to go with pass rusher.

Hali has looked pretty good coming off the edge and has been doubled quite a bit. If the Chiefs can get another good rusher coming from the other side, a true speed rusher.... then the Chiefs pass rush may look quite a bit better.

That is assuming that they can't trade the pick. Because frankly, the Chiefs have enough areas to upgrade that a trade down would be great.

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6141129)
I agree with you, but guys like Polomalu, Reed, B. Sanders, get your offense the ball back, and make huge plays, and are a hell of a lot harder to find than a good RT.
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They get the ball back to the offense, but if the offense is going 3 and out, it doesn't do much good.

I'm not saying take a RT with a top 5 pick. Hell, I'd love Berry. Sign me up right now for Berry in the first, and I think I'd be happy. I just disagree with what people deem a "playmaker", and I see a little bit of the change in attitude with regard to who you should take with a top 5 pick in the draft from last year to this year with the draft gurus.

soundmind 10-05-2009 09:44 AM

I'm a junkie for Lineman. Admittedly so. The single most glaring need on this team is the offensive line. However, the draft is not our only source for players/talent, and it has been proven time and time again that OLinemen can be found later.

I'm now interested in the 2010 draft for one reason, and one reason alone. Assuming we have a top 3 pick as you've stated (which I believe is presumable)....and he's still available...there's no decision to make.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0xPnZbi2Qt...y_for_Snap.jpg
http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2008/1...otball_400.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_chbnMGy0IX...aylor-mays.jpg
http://jbum.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341...c3fb970c-800wi

And I have ZERO ties to USC. But you have to respect Pete Carrol's defensive teachings, and this kids size/talent is unmatched. You take him, you pay him, and our defense is improved ten-fold.

The Bad Guy 10-05-2009 09:54 AM

Dunlap could fit in the role Elvis Dumervil is filling now. That wuold mean Hali is pushed aside, but I'm fine with that.

I just really want Berry or even Mays. Our safety play yesterday was just down right awful. I want a menacing ball-hawk in the secondary. Look at the Steelers. Without Troy, they are complete trash.

I think both of those guys can play at a Polamalu level.

gblowfish 10-05-2009 09:56 AM

Let's draft Trezelle Jenkins again.
He's available. And he's still young!

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6141241)
Dunlap could fit in the role Elvis Dumervil is filling now. That wuold mean Hali is pushed aside, but I'm fine with that.

I just really want Berry or even Mays. Our safety play yesterday was just down right awful. I want a menacing ball-hawk in the secondary. Look at the Steelers. Without Troy, they are complete trash.

I think both of those guys can play at a Polamalu level.

Is Mays a ball hawk? He didn't have any INTs last year, did he?

MVChiefFan 10-05-2009 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 6141250)
Let's draft Trezelle Jenkins again.
He's available. And he's still young!

He doesn't have a lot of wear and tear.

The Bad Guy 10-05-2009 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6141254)
Is Mays a ball hawk? He didn't have any INTs last year, did he?

Good point. I just think with his skill set, he could be a ball hawk. I don't know how many offenses take shots deep on USC.


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