Last season, when a starter went down, a young unproven player like Carr was shoved on the field and got valuable experience. This year, when a starter goes down, a convoy of mediocre veterans come in while young unproven guys sit on the bench. And they continue to be unproven guys. While the mediocre vets don't play any better.

That's the difference in "Playing youth" I was alluding to.

Mays and Belcher would disagree with you.

I'm not saying we had a great draft this year. I'm saying I define "impact" as helping to make a difference between winning and losing. Otherwise I agree with Haley, 22 guys off the street could win 2 games...

Corey Mays isn't exactly as young as you might think he's an NFL journeyman.

Mays has played for 3 teams. He's neither young nor unproven.

Belcher is a special teamer. Behind Mays on the depth chart.....

Corey Mays isn't a 25 year old, four year NFL veteran?

Huh.

The only guy that could even remotely considered as having an impact this year is Mr. Irrelevant, Ryan Succop.

But then again, you actually have to be in a position to win for the kicker to have an impact.




I've been told that Whitlock made that up, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Who made a more immediate impact? Matt Leinhart,Reggie Bush, Vince Young, or Mario Williams? Leinhart,Bush and Young did. So what? Who is going to make a long term impact is what matters.
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Yet, how long are we suppose to wait for a 27 year old QB who has had 4 years experience in the league and is suppose to be a proven commodity?

Next year will be key, their's been stats presented that indicates that if Cassel sucks again it would be cheaper to cut him after his second year than letting him play it out.

It doesn't really matter the ages. Carl and Herm were the ones who said they were going to go "youth movement". And their youngsters brought 6 wins in 2 years.

These new guys never said "youth movement", they said they're going to build the team in their vision and find guys who they feel can play. Obviously thus far they haven't, but I think again we're using a fallacy in thinking that just because a veteran is playing over a young guy, the young guy is not getting experience and therefore not becoming good, while the vet sucks and is still getting the PT. When in reality, the young guy probably sucks anyway, and you're wasting time playing him because he's not ready to play. For reference, see Herm Edwards, 2007 and 2008.

We've tried it both ways. It doesn't matter. The bottom line is someone needs to find good football players for this team, I don't care if they are 22 or 32...

Way to avoid the subject AND avoid addressing your previous posts.

:rolleyes:

Again, are you implying that since Tyson Jackson hasn't made an impact through seven games, he'll make an impact like Mario Williams did next year?

I love this crap about "4 years of experience". He was on the bench behind Tom Brady those 4 years.
And I thought we were talking about Tyson Jackson, Mr "The 86 Broncos were as bad as the 09 Chiefs".
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25 makes him an unproven veteran? Huh.

Not at all. The point is, you don't know what his impact is going to be either. Neither does Mecca, or Hamas, OTWP.
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This is patently FALSE.

The Chiefs didn't begin their "rebuild" until the 2008 draft. At that point, the team traded Jared Allen and brought in a youth at crucial positions. LT, RB, DT, TE, CB, CB and Safety.

They brought only two wins because the Chiefs went through three starting quarterbacks. Furthermore, they lost eight games by 7 points or less.

IMO, it seemed like they were building a nice, youthful foundation. Of course, Pioli disagreed and instead, neutered the team.

What? What? WHAT?

The "young" guy should have far more potential than the "old" guy. He doesn't necessarily "suck" as he needs experience. What better way for a young player to get experience than on a 1-6 team?

Again, 2008.

We didn't "try it both ways". What the **** are you talking about?

You can't rebuild the worst roster in the league in one ****ing offseason.

Yet Pioli decided that the majority of guys chosen in the past few years aren't part of the "Right 53", so those guys are producing elsewhere.

And a 32 year old guy may or may not make it through the season so it sure as hell BETTER matter.