Thank you. And yes he was good on special teams.

One thing about that character over talent I read on the first page.

We're not reading about Chiefs players getting DUI's, bitch slappin' chicks & so on all the way up here in the NW anymore.

Mike Brown actually tackles fine.

The problem is putting himself in position to MAKE a tackle, because he takes HORRIBLE angles.

Yes, that appears to be true.

I honestly believe that the lack of spending in free-agency was due to improperly evaluating the talent on the roster.

How else can you explain Niswanger starting at center to this day? Or the lack of a big back for short-yardage carries? Or completely ignoring the offensive line?

1. Clark Hunt spent $75 million out of pocket. I declared that free-agency would be next to non-existent at that point.
2. Scott Pioli was hired, gave Cassel a $60 million dollar contract and Tyson Jackson a huge contract (about $30 million upfront for both).
3. The Chiefs didn't sign any high or even mid-priced free agents.

So, either Hunt mandated that the Chiefs not spend much money in free agency (unlikely) or Pioli & Company improperly evaluated the existing talent and the end result was no "real" money spent in free agency because the Chiefs had enough talent (in his opinion) to compete in 2009.

I'm going with the latter.

I think me actually believing this is going to happen is the reason I still have hope for this regime.
If at least 4 out of six of those things don't happen, I'm joining the lynch mob.
Another is Krumrie must be gone. I can't handle another season of him on the payroll.

Pioli has been pretty lousy and he has to earn our trust. And he should certainly be taken to task for not knowing Cassel a little better before trading for him. But I think you and a lot of people have a completely skewed understanding of how talent evaluation works. Pioli is only as good as the scouting information fed to him. Pioli didn't have his guy or his scouts feeding him info going into the draft. And his guy didn't have nearly enough time to feed him the right info going into the free agency period.

These aren't excuses. They are reasons. I'm not saying he deserves a free pass. But I think he deserves at least the 2010 offseason before we can really judge what he's capable of. He can compete for the best coaches and assistants. He'll have had a full year of his own scouts and his own Director of College Scouting feeding him draft data. He'll have had a Pro Personnel Director who has had a full year to self-scout and also do an extensive analysis around the league. And he won't have to deal with a ton of administrative house-cleaning/transitional items he had to deal with in January (people forget that the draft was one of a million things he had to deal with in the early stages).

If he ****s up this draft and continues to make horrible decisions, including inbreeding the organization with former Pats players, then I'll agree with you. And I agree with you that his track record so far is really shitty. I just don't agree (yet) that these are signs that Pioli has no idea what he's doing. And by the way, I 100% agree with pestilence's checklist of things he needs to do. If he doesn't accomplish most of that list and then some, I'm more than happy to rip him a new asshole. Not literally, of course.

You are absolutely, without a ****ing doubt, full of SHIT.

Please, leave this discussion.

Your intent is to make excuses for a man earning $5 million dollars a year whose past 11 months have been a complete and utter failure.

Please, go back to the Coalition or wherever the **** you came.

It's becoming regoddamndickulous.

FACT: Pioli conducted the draft with Carl Peterson's scouts and Personnel Directors
FACT: Pioli hired Ray Farmer, Director of Pro Personnel (the most important guy in the organization when it comes to scouting players from other teams) on June 7th
FACT: Pioli hired Phil Emery, Director of College Scouting (the most important person in terms of college scouting and easily the second most important person outside of Pioli as it relates to draft decisions) AFTER the draft was conducted

That's not being full of shit. Those are facts and they are indisputable. He drafted with someone else' lame duck scouts. He drafted with Peterson's Director of College Scouting. He conducted combine evaluations with Carl Peterson's scouting network. He opened the free agency period with Carl Peterson's Director of Pro Personnel. Feel free to tell me where I'm wrong on any of this.

Like I said, if he ****s up in 2010, then we're in really big trouble. And I've said repeatedly that I hate the decisions Pioli has made so far. But give me a ****ing break. I'm not going to overreact and say that despite the million major front offices changes made in the past year that Pioli should have had everything figure out by now.

Again, you're full of shit.

If you think that the Executive of the Millennium didn't trust his scouts and made not one, not two, not three but SEVEN poor draft choices based on their opinions and their opinions alone, you're a ****ing MORON.

Go the **** away.

And STAY away.

Does anybody remember the contract the Rams gave Jason Brown? They gave him 37.5 million with 20 in guarantees. People here would have gone apeshit if we threw 40 million at a ****ing center.

With that said, I agree with most of the anti-Pioli/Haley stuff.

AMEN

Who used the roll out quite a bit?...............

One guess, he used to be the OC here.

I find it hard to believe that a new GM would hinge the beginning of his career on a bunch of talent scouts that were on a team full of failure.

If he did, then it speaks volumes on Pioli's decision making ability.

Maybe you could explain how he was going to replace a full scouting staff before a draft, since most scouts contracts don't run out until after the draft. So he couldn't go out and hire people from other teams, and you can't hire people off the street because how many people off the street spend the year flying around to all the different teams and watching tape on players.

Pioli didn't hire Ray Farmer he was already here and kept his same position. Just want to clarify that.

Yeah. Everybody that doesn't agree should LEAVE. This is not a place for discussion.

You know there's really only room for about 6 people on this board.