We were "ALL" guilty! But I knew we had to have patience with him. Chemistry is everything.:thumb:

Uh....Reading comprehension issues?

I said that Marty and AJ Smith were both ready to move on.

Translated that means they wanted to find another QB, which is the reason they drafted one.

Again, Cassel and Brees are not similar.

One was always accurate when he made the right decision.

The other isn't.

I will agree with you we paid too much for Green but the Rams knew we desperately needed a QB and knew Carl had Dick up Carl's ass to get him and new they could get a first.:shake:

I think you're missing what I am saying. If Brees just had a few problems then I'd suspect that AJ Smith would have been smart enough to stick it out with him.

But he wasn't AJ's pick (Cassel is Pioli's pick)

Brees had looked like shit up to that point (Cassel did not look like shit last year)

And this is exactly why we're not taking a QB with our first pick.

All of the rest of the conversation I don't care about, we aren't taking a QB with our first pick in the draft, or either of our 2nds. Pioli is going to give Cassel more than 1 season to sink or swim.

And trading a first for Trent Green paid off.

Again, this where we will agree to disagree, one had the line the other doesn't.:thumb:

Precisely:thumb: And Trent Green? Yes we were lucky!

AJ Smith was John Butler's right hand man in both Buffalo and San Diego, so I imagine the Brees was his guy to some extent.

First thing AJ did in his first draft was take Rivers.

Actually, the Chargers had a pretty pathetic O-Line for teh first couple of seasons that Brees was there, and it really wasn't all that good until the Chargers drafted Marcus McNeill in '06.

Always good to see those who want to bitch about a player regardless of the truth bringing up things that have nothing to to with the posts. Your post was about last year and the sack numbers. I noted the drop in them once Cassel got some game experience and Neal returned to the lineup. Your response was just to continue attacking the QB instead of looking at the problem with your statement.

Yes, the quarterback needs to play better. However, whether you like it or not, the problems with K.C. offense this year mostly revolved around poor offensive line play, a revolving group of receivers who dropped more balls than, perhaps, any other group of receivers in NFL history, and a running game that was terrible for a good part of the season.

And it was after Brees third season, about the same time that most GMs would give up on a second round QB.

But you are ignoring the fact that some of those problems are magnified by poor QB play.

I've said it before.

I htink that Cassel has the tools to be a solid game manager, but the fact remains that he isn't a top tier QB, and his poor pocket presense, wobbly passes and inaccuracy have as much to do with his problems, and the reciever's drops, as it does with the rest of the cast.

He'll improve as the cast improves, but he's never going to be a franchise QB.

I'm not ignoring the problem at all. You continue to make overly harsh statements which become inaccurate because you're overplaying the vitriol. Defending Cassel from those sorts of statements is not the same as claiming that he never makes a mistake, is in the same class with Brady and Manning, or anything of that nature.

And the receivers were dropping passes long before Cassel was the man throwing them the football, so that assertion is simply ridiculous, and is an example of what I'm talking about.

The Chiefs led the league in dropped passes last year?

Oh, that's right, they didn't.

Bowe had 13, and every other player on the team had 4 or less.

With Tyler Thigpen and Damon Huard delivering the ball.

This year, we have 4 players with 6 or more, and Bowe missed four games, and Wade/Chambers weren't even on the roster the entire year.