I ask again - could the Colts have ever gone 11-5 with Jim Sorgi? You're honestly going to pound your chest and yell "3 Superbowls!!!" when Matt Cassel took that same system to an 11-5 record? Doesn't that say all that needs to be said about how difficult it was to win football games there? If a guy like Cassel can get you to 11-5, just exactly how can you compare SBs?

Name one single thing that Tom Brady does on a football field better than Peyton Manning. I say all the time that I don't care about statistics with Matt Cassel because I can point to how he actually plays between the lines and his physical shortcomings.

There's not a single thing that Tom Brady does better than Peyton Manning. Point to mythical intangibles like 'clutch play' all you want, but it's nonsense. Without Adam Vinitiari, Tom Brady's just a top flight QB; nobody would dream of comparing him to Manning.

His celebration....http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/20.../amd_tyree.jpg

Peyton had a better QB rating...

Tony Dungy didn't run up scores all year like the Patriots.

Peyton Manning played 1 series in week 17 in a meaningless game...Tom Brady played an entire game (in a meaningless game) and they were obviously record hunting the whole time...

So I always find it funny when people try and tell me Tom Brady had a statistically better year in 2007 than Manning in 2004...because it's not true.

I promise you if their line and defense plays like the patriots, the colts wont win jack shit.

Pushead...not sure I get your point...

Plaxico Burress predicted the Patriots would score 17 points...

Tom Brady laughed at him and basically mocked the Giants...because you know...they set so many offensive records that year.

THEY SCORED 14 POINTS AND TOM BRADY PLAYED A BAD GAME.

Period.

He choked away the biggest game of his life and you can't say otherwise...but try and spin the David Tyree angle some more.

Wins these....http://ui25.gamespot.com/2008/patriotsposter_2.jpg

There are two promises I can make every NFL postseason:

Ready for them?

I promise you if Tom Brady and the Patriots lose...everyone will make excuses for Tom Brady because he is a "winner"...and "winners" never lose.

That's one.

My other promise?

If Peyton Manning loses, he's a choker.

I.E. This thread where Milkman references the Charger losses over the past two years.

once again, if tom couldnt touch peyton that year, why couldnt he get to the superbowl. Peyton can put the whole team on his back, remember.

So what happened?

yes on a 53 man roster that one man lost the game for them.....actually Rodney Harrison choked in the biggest game of their lives...

you know what the BIGGEST shame of it all is?

The Patriots NEVER respected Adam Vinatieri enough to reward him with a Super Bowl MVP...

You have three MVP's from the Patriots dynasty...

Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and Adam Vinatieri.

Wouldn't have won a single Super Bowl without all three of those pieces...take 1 away, any 1, pick 1...no Super Bowls.

Manning has been a choker since his days of UT when he couldn't beat Florida...

WIth a system that Matt Cassel guided to an 11-5 record.

Put Peyton Manning in NE and Tom Brady in Indy and it's a bloodbath. Indy wouldn't have even played .500 football with Tom Brady under center this year (injured WRs, no running game, scatter-shot defense) and Manning would've taken them to 16-0 but/for a moron head coach.

Give me your honest answer.

If peyton was under center last week, would he have beaten the ravens, and if so, why?

Rex Grossman should have won it for the Colts then if that's your dumb argument....

They lost to a better Patriots team on the road in the playoffs?

That's simple. It's not like the Patriots didn't have the better seed or anything.

But Peyton choked that year...yet Tom wasn't the choker in 2006 when he ended their season, at Indy, with a pick on the final drive where a TD sends them to the Super Bowl.

That isn't a choke job...nevermind they were winning 21-3 at one point...