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Saccopoo 01-27-2011 02:04 AM

C'mon Hamas.

Solder gave up one sack in the entire 2010 season and from all accounts, he's killing guys at the Senior Bowl practices.

The guy has grown leaps and bounds every season and he was on everybody's "All-American" list at the end of 2010.

He's got excellent weight room strength, has very good hip/waist and knee bend and has the athleticism to effectively get into the second level and engage linebackers and D-backs. He's also a smart kid who has put in a ton of effort to grow into the position. Everyone talks about his drive and desire to get better every day.

Add to that he's got a ton of room to put on another 20 lbs. on his frame and not even show it. The guy will end up playing at 335 and look good doing it.

I'd be shocked if he wasn't the first tackle off the board come draft day. And I don't give two shits about CU or anybody that plays there. However, Solder and the cornerback, Smith, are legit first/second round talents.

Chiefnj2 01-27-2011 10:21 AM

I'd take Cam Jordan over Solder at 21.

spanky 52 01-27-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7386731)
I'd take Cam Jordan over Solder at 21.

If Jordan is there at 21 and the Chief's pass on him, I'm done with the Chiefs. I know it's not a pressing need but this guy is a monster. I've got to think he goes between 10 and 15, maybe higher.

eazyb81 01-27-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky 52 (Post 7386869)
If Jordan is there at 21 and the Chief's pass on him, I'm done with the Chiefs. I know it's not a pressing need but this guy is a monster. I've got to think he goes between 10 and 15, maybe higher.

LOL, did you really post this?

Put your hands up and slowly back away from the keyboard.......

Saccopoo 01-27-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky 52 (Post 7386869)
If Jordan is there at 21 and the Chief's pass on him, I'm done with the Chiefs. I know it's not a pressing need but this guy is a monster. I've got to think he goes between 10 and 15, maybe higher.

That's great. Let's draft yet another defensive end in the first round so one of them can ride the pine for 90% of the snaps. I think that's the smartest thing anyone has ever said about the Chiefs and their drafts. That would really get us over the hump to have three first round 3-4 defensive ends on the roster. (And that's three out of the last four years.) Utterly brilliant draft move if they made it.

I can only hope that if the Chiefs do have the opportunity to draft Jordan and pass on him, you stick to your word and cease to be a Chiefs fan. I suspect that the collective IQ of Chiefs fans everywhere would actually raise.

bowener 01-27-2011 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7387116)
That's great. Let's draft yet another defensive end in the first round so one of them can ride the pine for 90% of the snaps. I think that's the smartest thing anyone has ever said about the Chiefs and their drafts. That would really get us over the hump to have three first round 3-4 defensive ends on the roster. (And that's three out of the last four years.) Utterly brilliant draft move if they made it.

I can only hope that if the Chiefs do have the opportunity to draft Jordan and pass on him, you stick to your word and cease to be a Chiefs fan. I suspect that the collective IQ of Chiefs fans everywhere would actually raise.

This. Drafting another DE is slightly more stupid than drafting another LT to replace Albert when the Chiefs have much greater needs... right, Sac?

Saccopoo 01-27-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 7387223)
This. Drafting another DE is slightly more stupid than drafting another LT to replace Albert when the Chiefs have much greater needs... right, Sac?

Not really. By drafting a real left tackle, it would allow the Chiefs to push Albert inside to left guard and, viola!, we've upgrade two positions of need in one single deft draft day maneuver.

However, neither Dorsey nor Jackson are 3-4 nose tackles, and as such, if we spent a first rounder yet again on a five tech defensive end it would mean that one of those highly paid first round selections will be on the bench for the vast majority of snaps.

So, in summary drafting another five tech DE is nothing like drafting a competent left tackle.

Chiefnj2 01-27-2011 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7387456)
Not really. By drafting a real left tackle, it would allow the Chiefs to push Albert inside to left guard and, viola!, we've upgrade two positions of need in one single deft draft day maneuver.

However, neither Dorsey nor Jackson are 3-4 nose tackles, and as such, if we spent a first rounder yet again on a five tech defensive end it would mean that one of those highly paid first round selections will be on the bench for the vast majority of snaps.

So, in summary drafting another five tech DE is nothing like drafting a competent left tackle.

KC has Lilja and spent a 3rd rounder on Asamoah. Moving Albert inside would mean KC wasted a draft pick and/or a free agent.

Plus, it doesn't look like there will be a player who is likely to be better than Albert at the 21st pick. There will be several DE's likely to be better than TJax.

keg in kc 01-27-2011 05:15 PM

Anybody we draft at 21 isn't taking Albert's job, he's taking Richardson's.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-27-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7386378)
C'mon Hamas.

Solder gave up one sack in the entire 2010 season and from all accounts, he's killing guys at the Senior Bowl practices.

He gave up two in that game alone, dumbass.

Nightfyre 01-27-2011 05:47 PM

If you draft another 3-4 DE, you allow Smith to play NT full time, upgrading two positions at once. We need depth at 5-techs as our defense has demonstrated repeatedly last year.

philfree 01-27-2011 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7387740)
KC has Lilja and spent a 3rd rounder on Asamoah. Moving Albert inside would mean KC wasted a draft pick and/or a free agent.

Plus, it doesn't look like there will be a player who is likely to be better than Albert at the 21st pick. There will be several DE's likely to be better than TJax.


Could just mean that we improved our O line as well as made it deeper. Make them all compete and let the winners start and the other guys be backups. We can get by with Albert he's O.k. But that's all he is unless he improves some more. Which he could but is A just O.K. LT good enough to beat teams like Balt, Pitts and the Jets in the playoffs? We can't really even block SD and Oakland.

Anytime this season when we had to pass the good Ds overwhelmed our whole O line. So we need to be better across the board not just the interior.

That said if we draft a stud OLB in the 1st I'd be good with that.


PhilFree:arrow:

Chiefs=Champions 01-28-2011 12:15 AM

Solder seems good against speed rushes ill give him that. But anyone who has a slight bull rush could give him considerable problems...

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-28-2011 12:20 AM

Watch that Cal tape and notice how many times guys get around his chop step and under his pads. It was a massacre.

Chiefs=Champions 01-28-2011 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7388929)
Watch that Cal tape and notice how many times guys get around his chop step and under his pads. It was a massacre.

Theres just something akward about his footwork..

I wouldnt touch him in the draft.


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