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O-Line analysis (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=225191)

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6620335)

Waters isn't really that bad of a player.

You straight up don't know what you're watching.

Christ, he was the most penalized guard in the entire league last year.

He's done.

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6617617)

Good read MM. I think Lilja is done, JMO. Albert hopefully gets better and becomes the player he can be. We need a RT bad. Maybe Big Bad Barry will finally step.
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I think you listen to Dane too much. Lilja will be fine. He started an entire season last year. Superbowl too.

Lets stay away from sister ****er and hope that Kyle Calloway is still there in the 4th. Then get a center in the 5th/6th.

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6620395)

You straight up don't know what you're watching.

Christ, he was the most penalized guard in the entire league last year.

He's done.

And you have selective reading. I said he wasn't that bad. Playing next to the Rude made him look worse. Not to mention Albert at the beginning of the season.

Waters had 8 penalties in 16 games. 4 were holding, thanks Milkman, and I'm sure the other 4 were probably false starts. Wonder how many of those came in the first half of the season when the team was amongst the worst I've ever seen fielded. Mostly b/c THEY JUST STARTED LEARNING THE NEW BLOCKING SCHEME. Go right to your GIF'd up and look at how CLUELESS this line was those first few weeks. There were sacks given up just b/c guys had NO CLUE who they were even supposed to block.

He's not as good as he once was, but as I said earlier, he's still adequate.

Kyle Calloway is not that talented, I think he's one of the more consistently overrated players on this forum.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6620236)

According to this:

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playersta...d=5349&team=12

Waters had the most holding calls of his career, but it was still only 4, while Albert was only called for 2 holds.

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playersta...d=8792&team=12

Heh, you're right. I just seem to remember an awful lot of Charles 10+ yd. runs and maybe a TD called back.

Looks like half of Waters penalties were holding.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6620411)

Kyle Calloway is not that talented, I think he's one of the more consistently overrated players on this forum.

nfldraftcountdown has him rated as the #12 OT overall. Right or left side. He's solid all around. Good pass protection and a hell of a run blocker. Sure as hell better than O'Callaghan.

lol everyone this asshole disagrees with listens to Dane too much.

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6620418)

lol everyone this asshole disagrees with listens to Dane too much.

Why else would he think Lilja is spent? Nobody in the media seems to thinks he's shot. This team doesn't think so. Last years numbers don't say so. No one will really know until he plays behind Cassel, but I really don't think there is any reason to be pessimistic at this point in time.

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6620406)

He's not as good as he once was, but as I said earlier, he's still adequate.

I agree with this assesment. I can't help but think the last minute changes in offensive 'coordinators', the constant changes of guys on the line might have skewed his ability this year.

Seems not uncommen for O lineman to play well into their 30's. We should know pretty soon this year if he is done or has a few years left IMHO.

I actually think he's basically O'Callaghan by a different name, I think Calloway is a 5th or 6th rounder that probably projects better to guard than he does tackle.

This OT class really isn't that deep there's maybe 10 or 11 guys that can start at OT at the next level.

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6620396)

I think you listen to Dane too much. Lilja will be fine. He started an entire season last year. Superbowl too.

I think you don't understand ANY of the point's that have been made by me regarding Lilja.

1. He played left guard in Indy, not right guard, which he'll be playing in KC.

2. He was paid a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus, yet subsequently cut. Please explain why ANY team would do that outside of injury and health concerns.

3. He signed with one of the worst teams in the league, not one of the best teams in the league. IIRC, he signed for 3 years, $7 million dollars. Let's not pretend he got Steve Hutchinson money.

4. He missed the entire 2008 season due to three different surgeries. Please explain why this is good?

5. Please explain how a poor run blocker (32nd running team in the NFL) is going to adequately play right guard, normally a run blocking, downhill positional player, at 290 pounds.

We'll be awaiting your expert analysis.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6620448)

2. He was paid a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus, yet subsequently cut. Please explain why ANY team would do that outside of injury and health concerns.

I have been wondering about that myself........If their intention was to get 'bigger' on the o-line as many have stated, why waste the money to retain him and then suddenely cut him?

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6620448)

I think you don't understand ANY of the point's that have been made by me regarding Lilja.

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1. He played left guard in Indy, not right guard, which he'll be playing in KC.

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2. He was paid a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus, yet subsequently cut. Please explain why ANY team would do that outside of injury and health concerns.

Apparently the explanation floating around in the Indianapolis media is b/c they want to go to more of a power blocking scheme. Need a bigger body.

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3. He signed with one of the worst teams in the league, not one of the best teams in the league. IIRC, he signed for 3 years, $7 million dollars. Let's not pretend he got Steve Hutchinson money.

Paint it however you want. Who cares what he gets paid, really. Does it matter? He grew up here, his family is here. Maybe he really did have a chip on his shoulder before he came to meet with Pioli, but apparently he didn't have that same chip when he left. Did you mention that his mother lives at Lake Quivira, and he is getting married this summer and is building a house, also at Lake Quivira?

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4. He missed the entire 2008 season due to three different surgeries. Please explain why this is good?

Never said it was. Must not have been too bad last year though. My post you quoted should explain why.

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5. Please explain how a poor run blocker (32nd running team in the NFL) is going to adequately play right guard, normally a run blocking, downhill positional player, at 290 pounds.

So being on a poor running team makes you a poor run blocker? I mean, he was handily the best run blocker on that line, which is obvious if you look at where the RB's had the most production. Also, they didn't run the ball nearly as much as most teams do. They have Manning and a glut of receiving talent.

That doesn't excuse them from sucking as much as they did while running the ball, but then again most running games get stronger as the game goes on, and Addai only carried the ball 14 times a game.

You can't simply look at an o line that has a poor run game, and say that every player sucks at run blocking. That's just arrogant.

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6620519)

And...? If he can make the change in footwork, which I don't know if he will, but I can only hope, he should be fine. RG is the fourth most demanding spot on the line. So it's kind of a LT to RT type argument. It should be easier to play, so, if the footwork pans out. No problem.

Apparently the explanation floating around in the Indianapolis media is b/c they want to go to more of a power blocking scheme. Need a bigger body.

Paint it however you want. Who cares what he gets paid, really. Does it matter? He grew up here, his family is here. Maybe he really did have a chip on his shoulder before he came to meet with Pioli, but apparently he didn't have that same chip when he left. Did you mention that his mother lives at Lake Quivira, and he is getting married this summer and is building a house, also at Lake Quivira?

Never said it was. Must not have been too bad last year though. My post you quoted should explain why.

So being on a poor running team makes you a poor run blocker? I mean, he was handily the best run blocker on that line, which is obvious if you look at where the RB's had the most production. Also, they didn't run the ball nearly as much as most teams do. They have Manning and a glut of receiving talent.

That doesn't excuse them from sucking as much as they did while running the ball, but then again most running games get stronger as the game goes on, and Addai only carried the ball 14 times a game.

You can't simply look at an o line that has a poor run game, and say that every player sucks at run blocking. That's just arrogant.

I'm sorry but you've said absolutely NOTHING.

You're speculating and have provided NO facts.

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Coming from you, I expected as much.

Do us all a favor and keep your mouth shut unless you actually have some proof of your allegations.

That is, unless you enjoy embarrassing yourself.