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milkman 10-29-2010 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 7127287)
I don't agree with that statement. However, I do believe that stats sometimes can be presented/manipulated to make things appear the way one wants things to appear. Or they only tell a part of the story. Right now, Cassel is playing well. But like you said, I question his ability to make plays when we need him to do that.
I overstate to make a point.

The fact is, what I really believe is that stats without context (watching) can be used to misrepresent things.

OnTheWarpath15 10-29-2010 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7127414)
I overstate to make a point.

The fact is, what I really believe is that stats without context (watching) can be used to misrepresent things.
QB rating is a great example of this.

milkman 10-29-2010 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7127415)
QB rating is a great example of this.
That is the one stat that I do believe is absolutely uselss.

Until Shannahan came along, John Elway's QB rating was pretty mediocre, and no one but a dumbass with an obsessive bias (I'm looking at you Rain man) would suggest that Elway was a mediocre QB.

MTG#10 10-29-2010 11:05 AM
Holy crap are the majority of the people in this thread defending Cassel or am I reading it wrong? This place is like the twilight zone today.

Hammock Parties 10-29-2010 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7127403)
HOWEVER, the reason the ball was thrown "short" (other than Cassel's limited arm-strength) is because he couldn't step up.
Do not pass go, do not collect $15 million.

Cassel stepped into this throw.

http://i54.tinypic.com/ct37m.jpg

milkman 10-29-2010 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7127438)
Do not pass go, do not collect $15 million.

Cassel stepped into this throw.

http://i54.tinypic.com/ct37m.jpg
You cut that gif off too short.

It appears, though, that he isn't able to completely follow through with his back foot on that throw, which will still affect his throw.

Hammock Parties 10-29-2010 11:31 AM
Well, whatever. It's not like he's throwing off his back foot.

God forbid we have a quarterback who can't make an accurate throw without having perfect mechanics. Did Schaub have time to step into his game-winning TD pass two weeks ago?

milkman 10-29-2010 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7127469)
Well, whatever. It's not like he's throwing off his back foot.

God forbid we have a quarterback who can't make an accurate throw without having perfect mechanics. Did Schaub have time to step into his game-winning TD pass two weeks ago?
We're talking about a guy with questionable arm strength, so mechanics are a premium.

Sandolf 10-29-2010 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 7127274)
That 5000 yards is as dud. He should have had 6000.
Yeah... blame the backs for that for not getting the yards after catch on those checkdown routes. Brees has become effective in the short to intermediate game. His accuracy has improved tremendously. He still sucks at throwing the long ball... (what this thread is about). That combined with the ridiculous money he wanted is the reason he is New Orleans. The Fish even picked Culpepper ahead of him. Last season's playoffs was the first time in Brees' career where he hasn't came up flat in the big games.

Mark my words. This is one of his off years again.

SAUTO 10-29-2010 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandolf (Post 7127502)
Yeah... blame the backs for that for not getting the yards after catch on those checkdown routes. Brees has become effective in the short to intermediate game. His accuracy has improved tremendously. He still sucks at throwing the long ball... (what this thread is about). That combined with the ridiculous money he wanted is the reason he is New Orleans. The Fish even picked Culpepper ahead of him. Last season's playoffs was the first time in Brees' career where he hasn't came up flat in the big games.

Mark my words. This is one of his off years again.
ROFLROFL


have you actually WATCHED a saints game in the last couple of years?

Brock 10-29-2010 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandolf (Post 7127502)
Yeah... blame the backs for that for not getting the yards after catch on those checkdown routes. Brees has become effective in the short to intermediate game. His accuracy has improved tremendously. He still sucks at throwing the long ball... (what this thread is about). That combined with the ridiculous money he wanted is the reason he is New Orleans. The Fish even picked Culpepper ahead of him. Last season's playoffs was the first time in Brees' career where he hasn't came up flat in the big games.

Mark my words. This is one of his off years again.
Good grief. ROFL

milkman 10-29-2010 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandolf (Post 7127502)
Yeah... blame the backs for that for not getting the yards after catch on those checkdown routes. Brees has become effective in the short to intermediate game. His accuracy has improved tremendously. He still sucks at throwing the long ball... (what this thread is about). That combined with the ridiculous money he wanted is the reason he is New Orleans. The Fish even picked Culpepper ahead of him. Last season's playoffs was the first time in Brees' career where he hasn't came up flat in the big games.

Mark my words. This is one of his off years again.
:facepalm:

:eek:

LMAO

Just Passin' By 10-29-2010 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7126944)
That's not really impressive when you consider how often he throws downfield, which isn't much.
Well, if you can't consider the TD/INT percentage impressive because of the lack of throws, you can't bitch about the completion percentage for the same reason.

Hammock Parties 10-29-2010 12:02 PM
Only on Chiefsplanet does a Cassel bashing thread turn into people taking shots at Brees.

Hammock Parties 10-29-2010 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 7127525)
Well, if you can't consider the TD/INT percentage impressive because of the lack of throws, you can't bitch about the completion percentage for the same reason.
ROFL

That's incredibly stupid.

Mostly because, well, I'm real sure Cassel's completion percentage is actually gonna go DOWN if he throws more, and throws more down the field.

Duh?


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