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lcarus 10-03-2011 04:24 PM

I don't really give a shit about any other aspects of his game. He's a pass rusher lol. He's not so bad that he's a liability in run coverage, so who cares.

Hammock Parties 10-03-2011 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 7964824)
I don't really give a shit about any other aspects of his game. He's a pass rusher lol. He's not so bad that he's a liability in run coverage, so who cares.

Hali was a below average run defender (-4.0) last year, but he did have 32 stops, which is pretty good.

This year he's holding at +1.1, which is good.

His pressures are down this year, but his pass rush grade is still 2nd in the league behind Ware.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-03-2011 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 7964161)
Lol, my opinion of Hali is in fact shared by many many experts.

And Flowers as it has been said is playing just as well as last year. But some idiots like you think because he's allowed a few touchdowns to Calvin freaking Johnson and against the Bills too he has been playing bad... NO.

And by the way FAX you have way too much time on your hands to write like that to insult me.

U Mecca??

Hali is playing at an All-Pro level.

lcarus 10-03-2011 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7964851)
Hali was a below average run defender (-4.0) last year, but he did have 32 stops, which is pretty good.

This year he's holding at +1.1, which is good.

His pressures are down this year, but his pass rush grade is still 2nd in the league behind Ware.

Does that include yesterday's game? Because I could have sworn he had a zillion pressures in that game.

Hammock Parties 10-03-2011 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 7965143)
Does that include yesterday's game? Because I could have sworn he had a zillion pressures in that game.

Yes.

GordonGekko 10-03-2011 06:55 PM

I don't see how he is overrated. He is generally considered to be a top 5 pass rusher by most pro analysts. I'd like to see what he can do in the playoffs in really really big games.

Buckweath 10-03-2011 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7964976)
U Mecca??

Hali is playing at an All-Pro level.

Hali sure is a great player but he is no Demarcus Ware. Did you guys ever see that missed tackle on Fred Jackson?? It was brutal brutal... that was juste one play but I cannot imagine guys like Ware and Harrison EVER looking that bad on a running play.

Hammock Parties 10-03-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 7965309)
Hali sure is a great player but he is no Demarcus Ware.

Not only did Hali have a grade 10 points higher than Ware last year, he played more snaps, had more sacks, fewer penalties, more pressures and more QB hits.

And he played in a front 7 that was far less talented.

Buckweath 10-03-2011 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7965330)
Not only did Hali have a grade 10 points higher than Ware last year, he played more snaps, had more sacks, fewer penalties, more pressures and more QB hits.

And he played in a front 7 that was far less talented.

I'm not the one to insult like so many posters on this forum but your post is a terrible FAIL. First, who cares about grades? More snaps??? Are you serious, completely irrelevant as both players played full time for 16 games.

Hali had more sacks?? There's a reason I said your post is a terrible fail.

Fewer penalties for a single year is a marginal argument.

Anyways, I get it you guys love Hali and think he is the best. I also love Hali, our defense would be much worse without him, but you clearly are biased if you think Hali is better than a player who is arguably the top defensive player in the NFL. Not saying he is, but he's in the same boat as guys like Revis, Willis, Polamalu, Reed, Ngata...

Hammock Parties 10-03-2011 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 7965380)
Hali had more sacks?? There's a reason I said your post is a terrible fail..

17 vs 15 according to PFF.

Ware is probably a better player but Hali is in his league.

Buckweath 10-03-2011 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7965386)
17 vs 15 according to PFF.

LOL... you wish you never said that :)

Hammock Parties 10-03-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 7965390)
LOL... you wish you never said that :)

Why not? Those are the facts.

For you to sit there and say "Hali is no Demarcus Ware" is a slap in the face when the guy was more productive as a pass rusher by every measurable.

Mecca 10-03-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7965393)
Why not? Those are the facts.

For you to sit there and say "Hali is no Demarcus Ware" is a slap in the face when the guy was more productive as a pass rusher by every measurable.

He doesn't have Ware's speed so he isn't as "flashy". He gets the job done and that's all that matters. He just isn't all that versatile he basically should never drop in coverage and Houston really shouldn't either and when Crennel wants to play this 3-4 cover 2 that's a bit hamstringing.

O.city 10-03-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7965453)
He doesn't have Ware's speed so he isn't as "flashy". He gets the job done and that's all that matters. He just isn't all that versatile he basically should never drop in coverage and Houston really shouldn't either and when Crennel wants to play this 3-4 cover 2 that's a bit hamstringing.

Out of nowhere.

Mecca 10-03-2011 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 7965457)
Out of nowhere.

Yea back for a bit, did you miss me?


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