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'Hamas' Jenkins 12-20-2011 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8222762)
You have to worry about Orton/Cassel NOW.

Because if they're going with Cassel, there is no QBotF in April. I still firmly believe that Pioli thinks CASSEL is the future.

With Orton, it's a pretty obvious stop-gap move.
To you it's an obvious stopgap move. To fans, and perhaps to Pioli, it's a diamond in the rough.

King_Chief_Fan 12-20-2011 11:16 AM
Orton did a good job Sunday. However, the Chiefs have the same problem they have had all year...can't score within the red zone. It is the same problem Orton had in Denver.

Maybe it is the play calling but I am not sold on him being the guy except for the time it takes to bring the QBOTF (if we get one) to be brought up to speed. He is indeed a better QB than Cassel has demonstrated.

Hammock Parties 12-20-2011 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8222857)
A top 10 defense and a mediocre running game with a legitimate #1 receiver should be more than enough for any quality QB to make a run, not finish 8-8.
Well, his coach WAS Josh McDaniels.

DaKCMan AP 12-20-2011 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8222825)
Orton was acquired off waivers, after the trade deadline.

The other required the trading of a 2nd round pick and a $67M contract.

The 2 QBs are definitely similar but their situations couldn't be more different.
Business 101: any compensation or money previously spent on Cassel is a sunk cost.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8222881)
Business 101: any compensation or money previously spent on Cassel is a sunk cost.
You missed my point. The way in which the two were acquired is important because of how they might FEEL about the two. This isn't about business.

They gave Cassel the biggest contract in team history before he had ever played a snap for the Chiefs.

Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.

DaKCMan AP 12-20-2011 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8222898)
You missed my point. The way in which the two were acquired is important because of how they might FEEL about the two. This isn't about business.

They gave Cassel the biggest contract in team history before he had ever played a snap for the Chiefs.

Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.
I'm hoping he had a personal affinity for Cassel.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-20-2011 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222875)
Well, his coach WAS Josh McDaniels.
Norv Turner, Barry Switzer, Jim Caldwell, Herm Edwards.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8222905)
I'm hoping he had a personal affinity for Cassel.
I thought about adding that caveat but figured it was just wishful thinking at this point... ;)

Lzen 12-20-2011 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 8222870)
Orton did a good job Sunday. However, the Chiefs have the same problem they have had all year...can't score within the red zone. It is the same problem Orton had in Denver.

Maybe it is the play calling but I am not sold on him being the guy except for the time it takes to bring the QBOTF (if we get one) to be brought up to speed. He is indeed a better QB than Cassel has demonstrated.
I am not ready to crown Orton as the QBOTF after just one game, but I don't think you can blame him for the red zone issues against GB. On the first, he threw the out pattern in a perfect spot, IMO to the receiver (McClain?). On the second one where they came away with no points, I would blame the play calling and/or execution of the blockers. Keep in mind that one was all running.

Hammock Parties 12-20-2011 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8222906)
Norv Turner, Barry Switzer, Jim Caldwell, Herm Edwards.
http://i39.tinypic.com/5x4dgz.jpg

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-20-2011 11:49 AM
Duck and cover, Miles, you dumb sonofabitch.

Chiefnj2 12-20-2011 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8222898)

Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.
Both McDaniels and Pioli felt Cassel was a franchise. Nobody has any idea if they still feel that way.

People keep talking about Pioli being too stubborn to move on from players, but where is the proof? He's parted ways pretty quickly with early draft picks like Magee. He hasn't forced coaches to keep free agent acquisitions that they didn't want - he must have brought in at least 8 WRs in 3 years.

Okie_Apparition 12-20-2011 11:59 AM
I expect a DurangoOrtonStalker to show up any day now

chiefscafan 12-20-2011 12:15 PM
Not to repeat what others have said but plunket, Gannon, even the great Len Dawson weren't great at their first stop. Sometimes there are factors such as people around them or the opportunity.

How do we know Orton wasn't just looking for an opportunity with a team with pieces around him.

Not comparing him to these QBs but you never know sometimes it takes people longer for it all to click maybe this is the case.

DaKCMan AP 12-20-2011 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 8223017)
Not to repeat what others have said but plunket, Gannon, even the great Len Dawson weren't great at their first stop. Sometimes there are factors such as people around them or the opportunity.

How do we know Orton wasn't just looking for an opportunity with a team with pieces around him.

Not comparing him to these QBs but you never know sometimes it takes people longer for it all to click maybe this is the case.
During Drew Brees' best season in San Diego he threw for 1200+ yards less than his worst season in New Orleans.


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