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Bewbies 01-15-2012 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8298121)
I like how you picked pictures of him taking on defensive backs for a size comparison.

LMAO

Saccopoo 01-15-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8298121)
I like how you picked pictures of him taking on defensive backs for a size comparison.

The Florida state linebacker could fit into his right pant leg.

And it just shows he can get out into the second level and engage the quick defensive backs.

O.city 01-15-2012 04:54 PM

Sac, I'd like to hear your thoughts on trading up to get Luck?

Nightfyre 01-15-2012 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8299280)
The Florida state linebacker could fit into his right pant leg.

And it just shows he can get out into the second level and engage the quick defensive backs.

I agree that hes not undersized. Your anecdotal size comparisons are hilarious, however.

Bewbies 01-15-2012 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8299629)
Sac, I'd like to hear your thoughts on trading up to get Luck?

Do you know how many OT's would could pick with all those picks it would take us to move up? :evil:

Saccopoo 01-15-2012 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8299629)
Sac, I'd like to hear your thoughts on trading up to get Luck?

I don't know...

Luck is a hell of a player, but I don't know if it's worth blowing two years of draft picks for to go get him. The problem is, there are no guarantees. If you go up to get him and he busts (and he doesn't seem like the guy that would, but you never know), you are totally screwed - for a long, long time. If he's Elway, it's worth it. Especially with the potential receiving corps that the Chiefs will have in 2012. It's a real roll of the dice though.

It's going to cost someone a Ricky Williams level deal plus to move up and get him and the Chiefs are close to building a pretty good team.

Part of me would love to see them do it, part of me says it's not worth it. Give Stanzi a shot and draft a guy like Brandon Weeden or Kellen Moore (two winners that are fundamentally sound) this year in the mid-rounds (four or five) and build a strong team on both sides of the ball.

Right now I'm leaning towards the latter, and have the Chiefs trade down a few spots and pick up a guy like Konz and a late second or third rounder in the deal. I don't think that they can move behind Dallas though because it's a real possibility that the Cowboys will pick either Konz or DeCastro and I think an elite level center is more valuable than a top flight guard.

O.city 01-15-2012 06:09 PM

If we could come out of the draft with Konz, Hightower, Reynolds, and Chris Polk, I'd be fine with not having Luck.

However I think it would be pretty tough to not pull the trigger and get Luck. He sets your franchise up for 15 years.

Saccopoo 01-15-2012 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8300093)
If we could come out of the draft with Konz, Hightower, Reynolds, and Chris Polk, I'd be fine with not having Luck.

However I think it would be pretty tough to not pull the trigger and get Luck. He sets your franchise up for 15 years.

Depending upon how Hightower checks out medically, it's looking like he won't make it out of the first round.

I think he'll get looked at hard by San Diego and I don't see him dropping past Baltimore.

Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Denver along with San Diego and Baltimore would be potential spots where a linebacker, particularly a MLB, could go.

If he tests okay medically and puts up pre-injury speed numbers, he won't be there in the second. He played extremely well at the end of the season and was a real factor in the National Championship game.

O.city 01-15-2012 08:40 PM

True, but replace Hightower with say Burfict.

I know he's a headcase, but the dude can play .

Bewbies 01-15-2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8300075)
I don't know...

Luck is a hell of a player, but I don't know if it's worth blowing two years of draft picks for to go get him. The problem is, there are no guarantees. If you go up to get him and he busts (and he doesn't seem like the guy that would, but you never know), you are totally screwed - for a long, long time. If he's Elway, it's worth it. Especially with the potential receiving corps that the Chiefs will have in 2012. It's a real roll of the dice though.

It's going to cost someone a Ricky Williams level deal plus to move up and get him and the Chiefs are close to building a pretty good team.

Part of me would love to see them do it, part of me says it's not worth it. Give Stanzi a shot and draft a guy like Brandon Weeden or Kellen Moore (two winners that are fundamentally sound) this year in the mid-rounds (four or five) and build a strong team on both sides of the ball.

Right now I'm leaning towards the latter, and have the Chiefs trade down a few spots and pick up a guy like Konz and a late second or third rounder in the deal. I don't think that they can move behind Dallas though because it's a real possibility that the Cowboys will pick either Konz or DeCastro and I think an elite level center is more valuable than a top flight guard.

This is the problem with QB's. If you get one, and they bust you're screwed. If you don't get one, you're screwed.

NJChiefsFan 01-15-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 8300981)
This is the problem with QB's. If you get one, and they bust you're screwed. If you don't get one, you're screwed.

Since option one also allows for you to possibly hit on one and option two being you are just screwed, I suggest option one. Atleast there you have an "if", option two is just "you are screwed."

Newton's contract is 4 yrs 22 million. Our last two drafts top 2 guys were Baldwin, Hudson, Berry, and McCluster. Now you certainly can't say that the past two drafts show what quality you get in the next two or how much it really would take to get Luck, but...

If the options are risk
5.25 million a year on the cap with Luck
plus losing(over the next two years drafts) talent level of Baldwin, Hudson, Berry, and McCluster.

vs.

Cassel or other options

To me with somebody like Luck, or even RG3, I would take that risk on option 1. Especially when you consider how much young talent and $ we have right now.

lewdog 01-15-2012 10:39 PM

Yea the O-line needs upgrading but I sure would hate to use our top 2 picks on the OL.

O.city 01-15-2012 10:48 PM

Actually this draft sets up pretty well for Kansas City.


We could come out of it with a pro bowl C, solid RT, good RB, safety depth, qb sleeper, solid depth everywhere.

lewdog 01-15-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8301380)
Actually this draft sets up pretty well for Kansas City.


We could come out of it with a pro bowl C, solid RT, good RB, safety depth, qb sleeper, solid depth everywhere.

QB sleeper where?

Saccopoo 01-15-2012 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8300888)
True, but replace Hightower with say Burfict.

I know he's a headcase, but the dude can play .

He didn't play that well this past season. He was downright horrible in the Utah-ASU game and really cost his team with some really dumb personal fouls and plays in that game alone. He can hit people, but that's about it. He didn't show very good instincts.

If it's not Kuechly in the first or Hightower in the second (barring any movement), I'd rather them go another direction, give Belcher another year of growth and possibly look at Manti Te'o of Notre Dame next year with their first rounder. After Kuechly and Hightower, there is a real drop off in talent or you'd have to hit with a diamond in the rough type guy late in the draft. (See my seventh rounder McSurdy - I think someone posted Walter's draft around here and he had us taking a Montana CB, but the real stud of the Grizzlies defense was McSurdy, who was the conference defensive POY. A real thumper with great instincts.)


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