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tooge 03-13-2012 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8447994)
Funny as hell to hear Orton talked about as a SuperBowl QB here on ChiefsPlanet. What a difference a year makes.
Wasn't he the Bears starting QB in a superbowl?

The Franchise 03-13-2012 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 8448026)
Wasn't he the Bears starting QB in a superbowl?
No. That was Rex Grossman.

htismaqe 03-13-2012 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8447954)
I'm sorry - did I miss the way we ended last season?

We were absolutely getting more WINS under Orton last year. If the damn FG unit could block Richard Seymore, he goes undefeated as a starter and somehow gets us into the playoffs.

The WINS came when Orton took over. The offense improved a great deal, hell the defense got better when it didn't have to spend as much time on the field.

You want to play the "winning is the only thing" card - be my guest. This team was a legitimate winner under Kyle Orton; it was not under Matt Cassel.
Minus Kyle Orton's 2 costly interceptions, the Chiefs beat the Raiders and win the division.

People are trying DESPERATELY to see something that just isn't there.

Orton isn't an upgrade, he's a slightly different version of Matt Cassel.

Carlota69 03-13-2012 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 8448011)
No our Defense took it straight to their offense. Which took away what the Packers D is built to do. When their D couldn't pin their ears back like they had been doing all season, really last couple of years. Their D was lost which allowed our offense to make enough plays. We put up 19 points in that game. Against the 31st Defense in the league. Wow 19 points against the 2cd WORST defense in the league. Come On Man.
yeah but they also were able to do that becasue they were able to rest becasue Orton kept yet chains moving (til we go to end zone of course). Our D was much better with Orton as our QB.

The Franchise 03-13-2012 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 8448011)
No our Defense took it straight to their offense. Which took away what the Packers D is built to do. When their D couldn't pin their ears back like they had been doing all season, really last couple of years. Their D was lost which allowed our offense to make enough plays. We put up 19 points in that game. Against the 31st Defense in the league. Wow 19 points against the 2cd WORST defense in the league. Come On Man.
With a QB who had been with this team for how long? Give Orton a full off season with the playbook and the WRs and I guarantee we would be putting up more than 19 points a game.

htismaqe 03-13-2012 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8447965)
So just head to your lab and build us a prototype QB.

What's your plan? You have mine - what's yours? The Redskins and Colts aren't moving their picks. Are you really going to advocate Tannehill? Okay, but you'll probably have to give up a 3rd to move up and grab him; seems like the Dolphins with Sherman may be hard after him.

There are doable steps that can make this team a legitimately excellent team (and yes, I would say possible favorites in the AFC) - how would you do it?
I ALREADY told you.

I like your plan. I just wouldn't sign Orton. It's a waste of money. Cassel's bonuses have been paid and his base salary is only $5.25M.

DJ's left nut 03-13-2012 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8448031)
Minus Kyle Orton's 2 costly interceptions, the Chiefs beat the Raiders and win the division.

People are trying DESPERATELY to see something that just isn't there.

Orton isn't an upgrade, he's a slightly different version of Matt Cassel.
Manning threw 8 picks in 3 games in 2010.

Everyone throws interceptions if they try to stretch the field. And only one of those 2 picks was truly on Orton. Cassel only threw 7 picks 2 years ago and he was largely useless as an NFL QB that season.

People are DESPERATELY trying to diminish Orton's ability because they spent 3 years doing so while he was in Denver.

The kid can play and he's a very nice fit for this team.

htismaqe 03-13-2012 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8447969)
Orton and his 300 yards passing, as well as clutch 3rd down conversions to Breaston as he was going through his reads had nothing to do with keeping the defense fresh or the Packers offense off the field.

Right.
Cassel's interceptions flat out cost us a win against the Raiders. That knife cuts both ways.

Imon Yourside 03-13-2012 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8448041)
Manning threw 8 picks in 3 games in 2010.

Everyone throws interceptions if they try to stretch the field. And only one of those 2 picks was truly on Orton. Cassel only threw 7 picks 2 years ago and he was largely useless as an NFL QB that season.

People are DESPERATELY trying to diminish Orton's ability because they spent 3 years doing so while he was in Denver.

The kid can play and he's a very nice fit for this team.
I agree Orton is a better QB than Cassel, he also has a better arm. I'm not sure we could win the Superbowl with him but I'm certain we could win a playoff game.

Okie_Apparition 03-13-2012 11:00 AM
Pittsburg kept their D up until they got their shot at Big Ben
Orton can be a close Sanchez I reckon

htismaqe 03-13-2012 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8448041)
Manning threw 8 picks in 3 games in 2010.

Everyone throws interceptions if they try to stretch the field. And only one of those 2 picks was truly on Orton. Cassel only threw 7 picks 2 years ago and he was largely useless as an NFL QB that season.

People are DESPERATELY trying to diminish Orton's ability because they spent 3 years doing so while he was in Denver.

The kid can play and he's a very nice fit for this team.
Orton's career numbers are almost IDENTICAL to Matt Cassel's.

He's not an upgrade, he's a different flavor of the same cheap ice cream.

vailpass 03-13-2012 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 8448026)
Wasn't he the Bears starting QB in a superbowl?
No.
I like Orton, would like to see him do well. He's solid until it comes to closing time. Always seems to turn it over right when you need it least. He's good enough to Dilfer in to a SB though.

Dayze 03-13-2012 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8448050)
Orton's career numbers are almost IDENTICAL to Matt Cassel's.

He's not an upgrade, he's a different flavor of the same cheap ice cream.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...zogAJ2SlluE-Ng

Chief Roundup 03-13-2012 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8448038)
I ALREADY told you.

I like your plan. I just wouldn't sign Orton. It's a waste of money. Cassel's bonuses have been paid and his base salary is only $5.25M.
This. I too like the plan it seems the most logical thing to do minus Orton. It is a latteral move that would probably tie the orginization to Orton for several years. I would just as soon wait until next offseason to see what is available then.

BigMeatballDave 03-13-2012 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8448050)
Orton's career numbers are almost IDENTICAL to Matt Cassel's.

He's not an upgrade, he's a different flavor of the same cheap ice cream.
Ok, who is a better option then?


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