Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 8883323)

DJ misses more tackles, because DJ is fast enough to get into position to make plays. Siler is not capable of getting to the plays that DJ is. You're literally blaming DJ for being good enough to even get to the ball carrier, while Siler benefits from being too slow and stupid to even be able to miss a tackle. He's just NOT INVOLVED IN THE PLAY.

If Siler were so good at tackling and were capable of getting to the play, he would get more tackles per game than DJ. He does not.

It's like a guy who ONLY swings at fastballs. He hits the ball more times per swing!

Fine. He also takes far more strikes on curves. What's your effing point?

All of this is why we need to draft this guy next year:

http://www.bloguin.com/crystalballru.../manti-teo.jpg

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8883342)

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

I think we are saying the same thing. This isn't about pursuit. This is about form. Jack Lambert was scary as hell and a playmaker and Jack Hamm was a better tackler. People remember Jack Lambert and forget about Hamm. Jack Hamm was the greatest fundamental tackler of all time.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8883307)

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8883345)

I think Siler is perfect for the Levon Kirkland role.

The big hitter/space filler.

His problem is he "trods" left to right. He has no fucikng lateral movement at all. NONE.

His agility and quickness laterally are total $3it.

If he plays foreward, fills gaps, and makes tackles he could impress...

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 8883335)

Hey. Do you remember that play that made you gasp in horror this pre season?

You know, that one where all your confidence in this defense was once again shattered, splintered in pieces?

That one play where your jaw dropped in amazement as to how a defense that had come so far over the past two seasons could suddenly look like the keystone cop sequence you hated watching over the past decade?

Ya, that play where, suddenly, the season ahead was about to be come the nightmare ahead?

That one play that changed everyone's outlook of the Chiefs 2012?

The play where 30 seconds into the game, the starting defense got trampled by an aging downhill runner?

That play where the opposing offense handed the ball off and ran it straight at Dorsey and DJ?

That play where Dorsey couldn't get off a single block to make a tackle?

That play where DJ ran through the hole and 5 yards into the opposing backfield while the ball carrier ran for a huge gain in DJ's absence?

That play where the RB gouged the defense for 20 yards before he was tackled by the free safety?

That play that shattered everyone's hope for a good season?

I knew you would remember.

Just in case though, here's the play;

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...ams-highlights

30 seconds in.

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8883342)

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 8883346)

FWIW and because I don't have a side in this argument, that's Kevin Burnett. Not Siler.

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8883342)

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

I think we are saying the same thing. This isn't about pursuit. This is about form. Jack Lambert was scary as hell and a playmaker and Jack Hamm was a better tackler. People remember Jack Lambert and forget about Hamm. Jack Hamm was the greatest fundamental tackler of all time.

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8883342)

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player. If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8883342)

I get all of this. I know DJ is a better player.

Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8883342)

If Michael Turner is running straight at one of them, who do you trust to make the fundamental tackle and bring him down? Siler or DJ?

Originally Posted by kcmaxwell (Post 8883343)

DJ, hands down with no hesitation.